1. surveillance doesn't exist
2. surveillance exists but general public actively fights it
3. surveillance exists, activists fight it, general public doesn't care/doesn't want to think about it
4. surveillance exists, fighting it is seen as radicalism/is socially unacceptable
5. surveillance exists, people actively and voluntarily help it/take part in it
6. people believe surveillance doesn't exist

where on the scale are you?

It depends on which "general public" you're talking about, but around 4.5. Until something happens to make people not trust the gov and realise "OH SHIT THEY ARE NOT OUR FRIENDS" people go with it (e.g. Hong Kong)

Somewhere between 5 and 6.

People cheerfully ratted out their neighbours for walking the dog at the wrong time of day during covid, but they probably don't think of it as surveillance.

Probably depends on the country, but 3 on average.

@donkulator oh, all that snitch culture shenanigans... so funny to me as a russian. our propaganda loves to say "look, they snitch on each other for mundane things"...

when people snitch on you in switzerland, govt fines you. when they snitch on you in russia, govt cops abduct you, then connect electrodes to your earlobes and keep rotating the field telephone crank until you confess to god knows what

I know the NSA has been recording phone calls since the 2000s. This is part of an anti-terror system for finding patterns in conversations. Pretty sure MS gives data to government. MS also has NSA backdoors. Google definitely sells data to the government and actively cooperates to censor the internet. No idea about Apple. I know Linus has fought back against backdoors in the Linux kernel. All cell phones since the 2000s supposedly have hardware (not software) that can monitor conversations without needing a battery. I don't know if it uses joule thief circuitry or not. Newer phones might be different since they have cooperation with carriers and phone makers now. Kind of explains the trend of non-removable batteries too. There was a dude who posted a whistleblower video about this in 2005 time frame. Oh, it looks like Snowden did videos too.

Kind of assuming most internet traffic is analyzed for patterns that trigger notifications.

@Demolishun isn't it funny how the kind of surveillance they have on hand can definitely prevent 95% of CP production, and yet nothing is being done? I guess it's hard to fight CP as a FBI/CIA officer when those who pay you are big CP consumers themselves

@kiki it is because cops, judges, lawyers, etc are involved. There is currently a battle to dismantle this entrenched garbage in the USA. You will never see this in the news because they protect these people.

@kiki Did you know large platforms run the uploaded images against a large "known" images database - I don't know where it's hosted (them or FBI/NSA/CIA) or if it's public accessible to check images against, but it exists AFAIK if you read up about how they handle that type of content

If I had to pick one, probably #3.

people fight surveillance?

I guess 6 but I skipped some steps

@BordedDev hahahahaha

no CP is a problem because no platform cares

you can even report whole websites to the FBI and it just disappears, nobody cares

it happens waaaayyy too often for comfort

I know a few pedos personally myself! years and years. nothing happens. it's the desired state. the level of corruption is unfathomable by the average person

but NSA having kid diddling content on you is great for blackmail and they can use that to get favours out of you later. so why stop it? why not encourage more of it instead?
then you only allow pedos to get hired / be around important government stuff. you can control them. very good business

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CP ok, telling people vitamin c murders all viruses and is harmless to consume in large amounts? BANNED
it's not that they can't see. it's that those are their priorities.