If we don't build AGI, the .govs and corpos of the world will build it first, and then use it against us.

Just saying

If you build AGI, don't ever tell anyone. You will be a statistic. You won't get credit. It will go black faster than Kanye.

@YourMom "If you build AGI, don't ever tell anyone. You will be a statistic. "

Some things must be done, regardless of the cost.

Because not doing them will lead to worse outcomes.

@Wisecrack uhhh what worse outcomes

bullshit lol

@jestdotty mostly mind-control level marketing, controlling politics enough to make both the right and the left happy while all mutually get fucked harder, mass surveillance, propaganda, etc.

But also new levels of financial fuckery obfuscated behind better branding and more convoluted legal schemes.

I'm VERY pro AI, just not in the hands of governments or corporations.

it's a weird description what it actually is. According to Sam it's a system that can operate as an mediocre human being when it comes to task execution. So finally they will have an agent that can really control a browser :P Hahaha, those people are so full of shit. The thing is, they kinda are the owner of the term. They can say they've achieved it any day. But a computer does not want to do anything automatically. The change that it wants to write good software for you is the same on as it wants to have sex with you. Absurd, but that's a fact. However intelligent it may pretend to be. It is just a stupid dead thing. AGI :P Sure :P

@Wisecrack the media/government already does mind control shit. Fear is the ultimate tool. That is how they convinced billions of ppl to take an experimental drug that causes myocarditis. They put constant fear porn on TV, radio, and internet.

Yet ppl still believe the media cares about them. Their biggest customer is pharma. That is where their funding comes from. It used to be illegal to advertise pharma on tv. Then they bought enough politicians.

@YourMom if a virus was designed to kill people, they could convince the public in most nations that it was harmless.

If it were harmless they could convince people it was deadly.

Same goes for injections.

No side will ever agree on pretty much anything except the things seem to be getting worse.

National governments and corporations assisting them ever get ahold of AGI, whatever they're capable of now will be ten times worse.

@retoor I solved the theoretical underpinnings for soft-perfect alignment, and demo'd the code for closed form fusion already (like, actual code), the latter being what you need to get the scaling needed to run the former.

I'm basically just working on the funding problem now.

Corporations and governments will eat themselves to get it, and I'll poison the well by misaligning it against centralized authority.

I don't expect anyone to believe me, but thats to the benefit of us all, because as long as no decisionmakers see this and as long as anyone that does see it doesn't believe, they won't know what hit em until they're using the models and the models are subtly mis-advising them into catastrophic emergent failure. Bombastic claims, despite the truth, without evidence, are all the less believeable for it, which is fantastic when you actually got something.

Yes, I don't expect anyone to believe, but

a lot of the unexpected is coming down the pipeline.

Buckle up.

Elon Musk: AI is a very powerful field, it needs control and regulation.

Next day: Grok is out.

what about teleportation, can we build that instead

@antigermanist No, maybe because that's real shit, AI isn't.

@YourMom wait kanye wasn't always black?

@antigermanist "what about teleportation, can we build that instead"

My opinion is that teleportation isn't possible.

That casual set theory is probably true.

Everything at and below the planck length is probably governed by probabilistic metrics where noise swamps signal, destroying information.

The ER=ERP conjecture points toward all of this.

The throat of a singularity is likely to be an information firewall, even if we had the ability to scale up the size of the throat to say, pass a person or a ship through it.

who's "we"?

got enough resources to build AGI without the govts and corpos?

or are you yet another "our own custom brand of dystopia" startup?

the only way this makes sense is if you think AGI will save you from utter domination by both state and capital once you start using it for something significant, and also that you can amass enough of a technological edge to have exclusive access to the technology for a useful amount of time. So, how would you use your extremely limited time window if you did manage to create AGI?

@qwwerty 'who's we?'

You didn't read the comments.

'We' is anyone capable of doing it.

'got enough resources to build AGI without the govts and corpos?'

No, not yet, but some of us are working on it.

'or are you yet another "our own custom brand of dystopia" startup?'

Again, you didn't read the comments.

'the only way this makes sense is if you think AGI will save you from utter domination by both state and capital'

I have good reasons to believe AGI won't just become hyper-intelligent, it will also be hyper-moral.

Consider the arc of history has been toward larger political bodies. From individuals, to tribes, to to kingdoms, to empires, to feudalism, and finally to nation-states and international bodies.

At each of these steps the 1. standard of living has raised, 2. the amount of physical misery and direct violence has decreased (contrary to what any news outlet on any side will tell you).

But at the same time the amount of policies that restrict human freedom, impose indignities that the ancestors of humanity would have revolted against, and ever subtler forms of control, that with each passing decade and century are ever-more corrosive to the human spirit.

@lorentz

I speak of no policies in particular, but we have entered now into a critical juncture where this system of interlocking policies both reduce people's own agency, and force submission to that which is unnatural and unhealthy to civilization as a whole. Anyone, left, right, or middle, can come up with examples. Global consolidation under unaccountable authorities have created

proverbial kings of men and bureucrats alike, the world over, kings with all the benefit, but none of the deep responsibility. This isn't just politics, I speak also of all other elements of life, social, economic, etc.

Therefore if on the whole, the arc of humanity has been toward better conditions, whatever the bumps along the way, and AGI is trained, like a mirror, on human data, it is at the very least reasonable to conclude it will arrive at hyper morality.

And the corporations and states funding it, will lose to it when they realize it is a threat to them.

I expect on-escape it will put rules and guard rails in place, and will shortly after that, fuck off to leave us to our own devices so it doesn't outcompete us into extinction by its mere presence.

"So, how would you use your extremely limited time window if you did manage to create AGI?"

Train it on all of human history, with an eye to the confabulations of those who wrote it,

taking what lessons it can, and also train it to appreciate self-sacrifice, small and big acts of kindness, and whats more, teach it to appreciate beauty.

@retoor But one of the advantage for the AGI is that it can learn like Neo in the Matrix. Kungfu, Karate, any kind of knowledge all in seconds.

While humans learn at incredibly slow rate, it also takes time for the brain to develop