been noticing a pattern with my brain issues that now when I'm trying to manually critically think people keep insulting me and dismissing me by saying I'm overthinking...

maybe that's why nobody critically thinks anymore. just gets hammered out as "yeah nobody wants to hear that"

well I'm sorry I can't have Internet thoughts inside my own head due to the brain damage. it helps me to talk it out. annoying. and you could contribute to the discussion by actually contributing. who are you to say I don't want to be having this thinking?

I had the same problem at my old job that I was overthinking problems. But it turns out, the manager did not want us to question our terrible data privacy practices and our lack of forward thinking lol

Please don’t conflate critical thinking with random ideas, especially dumb ones which go against established knowledge and typically adopted by dumb conspiracy theorists.

This is the typical rhetoric of idiots like flat earthers.

"People don’t use critical thinking anymore. No one is questioning the globe model."

Bla bla bla. Yeah, that‘s not critical thinking, you are just an idiot who doesn’t know how science works.

(to make it clear, I mean the general flatearther-you, not you in specific)

> it helps me to talk it out. annoying. and you could contribute to the discussion by actually contributing. who are you to say I don't want to be having this thinking?

Have you tried rubber duck debugging? :p

@Lensflare idk why you think rhetoric like that that insults me as a person would be convincing or swaying to me

you fail to understand something yet you criticize it. that doesn't sound like critical thinking to me

@jestdotty The only thing that I fail to understand is your last comment.

@Lensflare someone who follows established ideas lacks critical thinking in thinking past those ideas

it's not hard... established ideas are basically decades old. it takes a long time for something to get established

the hard part about critical thinking is then convincing people who like established ideas to grow past the established ideas. that's why academia suffers from so much entrenched "this is just the way we do things here". which is fine and that's how institutions protect themselves and survive. but you can't use them as the authority on truth. you can use them as an introduction to strongholds on basic subjects though and I view them to serve that function. but I don't view their limits as valid. that's not the point of them. we're meant to grow past their knowledge base and create our own, then come back full circle with good arguments and further the slow institutions. that's how accumulated societal knowledge flows, cycles and society benefits. they're not authorities

@jestdotty bullshit. If you critically think about established scientific ideas, you realize that they are established for a very good reason. Because they explain the world better than any other idea.

Just coming up with some random bullshit just because you feel like a revolutionary rebel doesn’t make it critical thinking.

Do you really think that flat earthers arrived at their stupid idea of a flat earth by thinking critically?

I remember "talking" to code a while back, and while boss (different company was explaining to me) I said "explain yourself" or something similar, took me 5 minutes to realise why he just walked away...

@BordedDev WHY DID HE WALK AWAY AAAA

@Lensflare I'm not insulting the ideas they came up with but for some reason you're insulting mine

also yes flat earthers are some of the hardest workers at critical thinking. it's actually really nuts. you really gotta appreciate them. would make Socrates proud

@jestdotty Because just before I asked him about the library (he was standing next to me onboarding me on the project), and not a lot of people talk to the computer during a conversation, aka he thought I had just ordered him to explain why that library

@jestdotty

> I'm not insulting the ideas they came up with but for some reason you're insulting mine

I don’t even know your ideas, so I don’t know what you think that I‘m insulting.

> also yes flat earthers are some of the hardest workers at critical thinking.

Rofl. Now you really made it crystal clear that you don’t know what the hell critical thinking is.
Time to stop taking you sereously again.

@Lensflare Isn't the idea of "flat earthers" not fundamental science? In science, you have to question everything and if you believe the experiment is faulty, you have to do it better now. So if a flat earther comes to the conclusion that the earth is indeed round, they have to change their opinion. Isn't that what critical thinking is?

(but let's face it, a lot of flat earthers do not change their opinion and there is abundance of proof that the earth is round)

@wojtek322 yeah flat earthers don’t use critical thinking. They just like to pretend they do.

What they actually do is starting with a desire to want the world to be in a specific way and then reject everything that contradicts with that desire.

Or alternatively they start with a desire to distrust "them" (science, government, whatever) and then try to establish that everything what is the current understanding is actually a lie and is therefore wrong.

At no point in time do they actually think critically about the idea of flat or globe earth. They don’t understand how to do science or how to apply reasoning to scrutinize opposing ideas.

Questioning everything is not critical thinking.

If you are questioning gravity and jump off the cliff because you think that the government is lying to you and you won't fall to the ground and die, then you are not a critical thinker, you are just an idiot.

@Lensflare I guess i have too much trust in peoples ability to change lol