@ojt-rant fuck I wish I could multiple up-vote this 😂

Coming from years of Microsoft stack, then a few years of Go, then being dumped in a Spring team, Web Forms was the worst PoS I worked with... until I encountered Spring. Dot net MVC with razor was way nicer to work with.

The java community seem to look down on MS, but honestly, C# overtook java 15 years ago, and has outpaced it ever since IMHO.

For the record, I also fucking hate spring. It might be that too many bad developers work with it, the systems I have to work on are horrifically (over) engineered.