@Hazarth eh. I enjoy the pay and working with intelligent and talented people, and improving my skills. But formal devwork / business requirement are more of a necessary evil.

@Fast-Nop yeah that's fine, I totally expect the top developers in the world to be such because it's in their soul. But I think that's too extreme for your average programmer, or even someone who is just regular old good. I think it should be encouraged to just be good at what you do without dumping all your attribute points into career you know? Lol

@NoMad For sure. From college it's cutthroat, they shove down your throat every day how you have to be better and passionate and stay on your grind.

It's toxic and I've seen people go down that road and come out different. Apparently when I was first learning web development I shut myself in for months and barely spoke to my friends, doing 6+ hours of learning and practicing a day on top of school and work. All for the sake of being a leg up and getting an internship to set off a chain of events where eventually I'm successful.

If I wanted to feel like that I would have been a mechanical engineer lol.

@NoMad i do try to BS a bit, I've gotten ok at it with the whole I'd have to check or I'm not totally sure right now, but honestly how does anyone know that stuff right away?

Who is able to look at a lengthy ticket written in business technical spec and immediately know what work needs to be done and what hurdles will be faced? The mental map required for that must be immense.

I think it's just this whole energy of MUST BE CONSTANTLY IMPROVING is just getting to me. It's unhealthy to be in an environment where taking off the "I'm so passionate about my career and all I do is eat breathe and shit technical specs" mask is looked down on.

jealousssss

As a Volkswagen owner I can promise you that car is full of conflicts

@heyheni I make a bit above average for my experience and location, but if I was promoted or went somewhere else I wouldn't want a smaller % increase just because I'm above average now lol

@netikras only thing I'm a little cloudy on there is deployments, simply because the majority of our project I don't interact with. We're divided into UI and API and the API is kind of the beast here, but I'm a UI person.

Otherwise I do most of that, with the automation tests being new so that's an effort by everyone

@C0D4 i only use tickets as an informal measure because I'm not quite sure how else to explain my contributions. My work in one Sprint might range from a text update in one feature to a complete remodel in another. It really just comes down to what the business Leaders prioritize. Deliverables are,well... Completing the tickets I pick up 😂

@C0D4 I see, sounds right up my alley. I do tons of unit testing and e2e testing, it's actually been a major focus as we pilot our e2e suite. Im currently guiding some less tech savvy people on it so we can get more support behind development.

By this standard I feel I'm pretty close to mid level. I doubt I could carry an entire feature beginning to end by myself, features for us tend to take an entire sprint with multiple devs (being >20 user stories), but I could easily discuss and complete a feature alongside other devs

And as far as thinking ahead goes that's what I aim for, though sometimes there's some architecture I'm not exposed to in my codebase that's part of another subtean with requirements that aren't intuitive and shift how we plan new architecture

@redman and you're totally right, it wouldn't make me less bored. My job would be about the same. Unfortunately money means a lot as I have student loans to pay off and rent to pay :/ I'm a bit nervous to look at other jobs because if it goes badly and I end up unemployed I'd be in a really bad situation.

But I would probably take less than that 20% increase figure just to work somewhere that makes me look forward to going into work in the morning rather than considering if I should take a sick day to just avoid the monotony that is my day job

@Voltairepunk that's the crazy thing, the project I'm working on is fairly new and doing some pretty new industry best practices. It's just boring lol. Wish I knew how to explain it but I guess just the lack of passion makes the job feel like just cranking out code that fits some arbitrary spec set by some business stranger. At one point I felt pride over how much I've contributed, and I guess I still do? But the quality of my code has fallen off as I have started feeling nauseous doing the same thing over and over in silence.

@redman seriously considering job hunting. Thing is I may be up for promotion early next year. Don't want to short myself taking up a job somewhere else and having my position where I'm at now set a low bar as far as compensation goes.

If I go to a different job I'd want like a 20+% salary increase, but what I'm getting now is on the generous end of the scale so... Doubt anyone is gonna go for that.

@Voltairepunk it's intensely corporate. Very gray, very "business" oriented. The kind of place where people try to convince themselves their work is "interesting" and "exciting"

But it's not. The nature of the work, without revealing too much of myself, is inherently dry. It's important stuff but it is about as technical and beaurocratic as you can get.

And I am considered a junior, it's probably more accurate to say I have ~3 years of experience with this past year being really grindy. I've gone from barely being able to throw together shotty work to a main contributor on my project and even informally mentoring others outside of my project.

@asgs eh I feel that's pretty common, especially with corporate security and stuff. Not supposed to use work equipment for private projects

@asgs can't really work on personal projects at work unfortunately. Very corporate environment, wouldn't fly

Like really

@mojo2012 I'll have to look around when I've got more experience, I've not even been out of college that long. I couldn't let myself find another job just to stay a junior lol. Though admittedly I don't really feel I should be a junior... But that's another issue altogether.

I do have a side project I'm doing with friends and actually enjoy working on it. Much less formal, more leway, more pleasant topic.

@smb26 I don't know who to ask haha, I'm the only UI guy on my entire team so at best all I can do is simple QA stuff, and they don't have any work yet either since the sprint is in it's first few days and no devs have finished anything yet

@smb26 my boss isn't even in today, I have to go to... Someone. Scrum master? Project owner? Other devs? BA? It's kind of unclear.

@rutee07 that sounds so nice

@Qaldim yeah it's the pretty bright silver lining. Leaving for somewhere else in the future also means being able to request a higher pay too. I just wanna get these student loans taken care of so I can actually enjoy that money 😂

@bols59 well, the sympathy is appreciated all the same. Maybe once my student loans are paid off and I'm promoted I'll take up a cubicle at a smaller and more lively company. Who knows. Don't want to stay glass eyed and monotone for life.

More like life cycle hell. 99% of Angular issues are lifecycle and async issues. Oh you're trying to update a value? Too bad it doesn't exist yet.

Other than that it's pretty tight

@Hubot-0x58 they're slightly more reliable than horoscopes. I think they used to use them for career placement in high school which is a bit more than misleading, even damaging in some ways. Not a fan at all of the MB.

@Hubot-0x58 I'm pretty familiar with Carl Jung, he's legitimate. The test however, while stemming from something reasonable, attempts to classify personality "types". Human psychology and behaviorism isn't categorical like that, it doesn't make sense. Personality is also maleable and can shift over time due to environment.

Myers Briggs is a load of it. Totally psuedoscience

Send the CEO Adam email through your personal email lol

Im a front end dev for a very large company, and team standards are 8:30-4. You should be there during that time because you'll be available if your team needs to reach you. It's not just about getting *your* work done, it's about contributing to the team or at least being available to.

@arraysstartat1 here in freedom and obese starts at 30 BMI