"I don't use Linux because you can't game on Linux"

Shut your fucking cocksucking mouth.

Yes, support isn't the greatest and a lot of games don't work on Linux yet and some graphical drivers don't work.

But don't fucking say you can't game on Linux because you fucking can.

Steam has a Linux game library that keeps on growing and growing.
There are some platforms for games especially for Linux as well even.

I've seen steam games with freaking high requirements run with any lag on Linux computers - open source amd drivers worked well.

The support could be much better (of games/drivers) but YOU CAN FUCKING GAME ON LINUX.

THAT YOUR GAME DOESN'T RUN ON LINUX DOES NOT MEAN THAT NO SINGLE GAME DOES.

MOTHERFUCKER

😁😂

For me, it’s vsync. If you can fix that, a move to Linux is more feasible... just my two cents.

If only we could purrsuade blizzard to support Linux :p

@armeg What's funny?

@Gerrymandered I'm not claiming that you can run any game but it just annoys me when people say that :)

@Haxk20 Not directed at a specific person but just had to get that out :)

@linuxxx read that rant few hours ago. Felt the same. Would be great if more games are supported.

@armeg I only made it 10 minutes ago 😅

@linuxxx not this one. The guy with windows 10 and a wallpaper with a blue car on it.

@armeg Ahhh right

I plan on supporting Linux for mine. If I can get it to run that is...

@linuxxx https://devrant.com/rants/985932/...

If there were no consoles I believe AAA PC games would have linux support already.

And the games would have actually today's graphics and not 10 y.o. technologies :)

Anyways, the only 2 games a person should ever want to play is heroes of might and magic 3 and liero. Both can run on a toaster.

@linuxxx fair enough :)

@linuxxx the problem is, that games are quite like books in the regard that I'm not interested in 'just playing some game' but rather playing certain specific, amazing games, some of which don't support Linux. ;)

that is fucking good speech. Just keep going ;)

@Totchinuko What are you using to create the game?

Just a bullshit rant... nobody says that you cant play on linux but what everybody says is that many games dont run on linux.

@theCalcaholic Unity3D. When I say "getting it to run" it's more about optimization and financial rather a compiling issue.

Okay. Let me rephrase then.

No games I want to play run on Linux or Mac.

i actuslly get better fps on linux than windows soooo :P

@Alice you can run it in wine :D
EDIT: frick someone already said it

I play osu and diablo iii under linux 👌

@Right2Drive The last sentence (although I've seen many games run with fucking great performance on Linux) is the only point I was trying to make :)

@-vib- That is indeed none of my business. I also never said it was/is.

Where did I hate on non-linux users in this rant? I'm literally only mentioning gaming in relation to Linux, that's it.

You can play on any system, it only depends of the game

QEMU/KVM, problem solved.

@Gatgeagent is it a viable option for apps and game with high requirements?

The question is : can Crysis run Linux ?

@Totchinuko If you got the RAM, I think so. The host system shouldn't use up too much of the other system resources.

But I can't guarantee it, I didn't play demanding games in a VM yet.

I got Doom (2016) running in Element OS with PlayOnLinux 😀 (gotta love the pun).

I ran it with Vulkan and some fiddling with info I pulled off the net.

#IDDQD

@theCalcaholic Well time to do some testing then. I wonder if I can use my second SSD to install Linux on my main rig while keeping the windows one clean from any dual boot shenanigans

Well actually the best OS for gaming is OSX...

It's the opposite: NetHack Brogue etc all suck on Windows

@Totchinuko Of course you can :D

It's only an issue if you're doing it in reverse order.

@Totchinuko The grub boot-loader will handle OS selection for you.

@theCalcaholic @saintograph thanks 😊. Starting up rufus for some interesting night

@Alice Yes you can. Latest wine supports it. All Settings on low is required. Non demanding parts, like the menu and the start of the game are on a solid 60fps. But when a game starts, it drops like all two seconds down to 30fps. Golden Guns dont work. Plus you need a newer nVidia card in order to run it. Also Blizzard is likely to bann people playing their games with wine. (I tested it some time ago with Wine 1.17 and a GTX970, i7 4790k at 4.8GHz)

@Lahsen2016 If it's on playonlinux it usually is super easy. Otherwise you need some knowledge about wine, yeah.

@Lahsen2016 I didn't experience that on my machine and most people I talked to about it said, that it's mostly the same as on windows with some games running better on Linux.

Might differ between different hardware configurations though.

@Lahsen2016 There is no inherent reason why software should run slower on wine, because Wine Is Not an Emulator. ;)

Dual boot's the way to go

Oh christ here we go again, insulting people that don't use linux as their main OS, because they actually do enjoy relaxing with some friends in something like overwatch after a shitty day.

Just because you don't actually play or use professional software that is only running on windows and osx, doesn't mean nobody does. I for myself can't get away from windows for my main OS as I am stuck with things like Visual Studio, Adobe Experience, Photoshop, Vegas Pro and more.

Also your rant is obviously based on the previous rant, that harmlessly asked "how do you manage to be without games" and posted a windows screenshot, this is the most retarded way you could have handled this and you sound borderline mental for reacting like that.

Just now scrolled enough to see what @-vib- said and he is right.

You bash people that are against using linux _themselves_ because of X, why does it matter to you, use linux, use gentoo, don't use a computer at all, nobody gives a shit, since it's your own decision, not of some enraged monkey that just screams loudest.

@JoshBent nope it's not, I'm just annoyed with the amount of people saying 'you can't game on Linux'. Use whatever you want, this is solely aiming at Linux + gaming.

Not sure what the second paragraph points at as i never mentioned anything about that for as far as I see.

Nope it's not. We had a game session at work and this suddenly popped in my mind again because everyone I know irl says that you can't game on Linux.

This rant is solely saying that saying that you can't game on Linux is bullshit, nothing more and nothing less. I didn't mention windows on purpose because this rant isn't about windows and I'm also not pointing towards it.

Am I being flamed right now? Lol

@virus200 Not at all haha. Didn't make this rant in relation to your rant, just had a gaming session with the fellow Linux guys at work and that reminded me of everyone always telling me that you can't game on Linux, that's all :)

Uhm I can't game on Linux because the games I want to play and drive me to even play games doesn't run on "Linux". So let me play my games on Windows and let me make the more serious stuff on a more serious OS.

@eragonder That's alright and I'm not claiming everyone can. I'm just saying that the statement 'you can't game on Linux' is false, that's all :)

@linuxxx A good amount of games, simply do not run under linux or it takes usually atleast a year until it half crippled does, been there, seen it. So just because some tux-racer does work or some half crippled version of the original does (please don't anyone come with things like "I enjoy playing the original doom, thats a real game and it works just fine!!!!"), does not mean you can "game" on it, since I can play tic-tac-toe even on my toaster, doesn't mean it can actually "game" or keep up with half the things getting released.

If the software support and games support would actually be cross-platform, then why the fuck not change to linux ofcourse, but it's simply not happening in this century.

@virus200 you are being whined or screamed at - in the hope you'll feel bad I guess.

@linuxxx yeah okay :)

@linuxxx it just sounded exactly like you are referring to the mentioned rant from @virus200 or more like the comments and I still think you are, because you are saying it "came to my mind" ""just randomly"", but the actual thing spawned probably because of somebody fighting in the exact rant, where iirc you were participating in anyway.

@JoshBent i know that and although I don't know many titles since I hardly game myself, i know someone who plays stuff like Metro2033(is the year correct?) on linux. That game hardly ran on my windows laptop with an actual graphics card without lag. (that game is just an example, at least this guy had a huge steam library (200+) of which at least 75 percent was Linux compatible)

I'm not saying all games or even most games run on Linux, I'm just saying that one can game on linux.

Last paragraph, well if you're literally turning my previous comment at @virus200 the other way around, idk what to say.

@linuxxx I can't stress enough how the most popular games, simply do not find anyone to care enough about linux. It took ages until valve even considered or published csgo to linux.

@JoshBent Okay for the last fucking time, I wasn't referring to that rant.

I'm not going to loose sleep over this or whatsoever but why are you trying to invalidate everything I say here? Relating to thinking that I was referring to that other rant.

@JoshBent Last time: my only message here is that one can game on linux. Not saying all games or even close to that or the big names, just saying one can. That's literally all.

@linuxxx so you made me interested how many games out of my own steam library and others are compatible: 5 out of 165 steam games and none from the rest (direct support, I did not check playonlinux, which might actually make something run through some random hackery)

@MonsieurMan Man, how difficult can this be. My only message with this rant is: one can game on Linux.

I'm not referring to how many games or what level of games at all.

Oh and everyone would tell me that that's bullshit and I remembered that and wanted to get this out!

@JoshBent Fair enough! Then you have quite some incompatible (with linux) games :)

@linuxxx you're posting way too fast and I can't see your answers, before I actually post something, so some responses are late or have been already addressed by then.

@linuxxx like just now, while I wrote that, you already posted 2 comments lol

@runfrodorun Hey I'm not alone anymore, thank god!

@JoshBent Got my old keyboard back on my phone so can type very fast again :P

@JoshBent For me it's 154 out of 392 :D

@runfrodorun I first checked https://steamdb.info/linux/ for a quick overview while I was waiting for steam to install on my linux laptop and both said the same, then for the rest I just straight went to the publisher site and checked what platforms they support.

@runfrodorun the main reason why many (are forced to) use windows is simply because the games and software they do want to play or (have to) use are not working with linux and iirc indeed I saw you having comment rants about how people can just live without fully functioning application suites or with "less psychology driven designs", but in the end, it's really about getting the job done and windows is (sadly?) the main platform that always does. If you are not exclusively using tools and or playing games that are running on linux, you are going to either dual-boot or use windows to just save the time and annoyance of having to change to the other system each time. (cont.)

I know, if I now bring up the topic of having to maintain and develop .net software for example, you will just say something along the lines of "just don't do it", but that's not how most of us (can) handle it, since most are forced to, same goes with using photoshop, newer excel, powerpoint, .. (do they atleast nowadays work in linux? didn't check that part for a while) - which are the very standard across I would personally say close to 90% of companies I have worked with or know.

@theCalcaholic @Haxk20 It's actually interesting how my steam library seems to be that niche, where as most of you have close to 80% and more coverage.

@JoshBent Well as for the softwares you mentioned, we don't do anything with photoshop as sysadmins at work but we all use the libreoffice suite which works very great! (it's not the smallest company).

I do know that photoshop runs well on wine nowadays and for my and my closest designer guy, GIMP just does the job well.

@JoshBent As for dot net, dot net core? Runs on all major platforms :)

I just uncovered the scroll to bottom button... My life just became easier with this rant 🙄

Bruh I tested it and I actually am playing better on Linux than on winblows. The fps are a bit lower than on windows but Linux just responds faster (mouse and keyboard). Got my current rank in cs on Linux and I was struggling hard on win. Fuck those dick suckers that don't want to accept the truth

@linuxxx But many developers need VS, because it has its own compiler and such. So, if you have to work with VS projects you don't really have a choice.

I gladly don't at the moment - but if I ever get a job which is focused on windows-targeting software I don't have a choice either. It makes no sense to test software on my Linux system when its target platform is Windows. ;)

@theCalcaholic I know that one though yeah :/

I don't use Linux because Linux sucks.

I actually do.

@linuxxx Basically @theCalcaholic answered it already.

Regarding libre office, I had multiple times that clients that wanted to try if they can cancel their suites with microsoft and use something like libre office, but half of the things in their gigantic excel files weren't working, excel really does have couple miles ahead of libreoffice etc. when it comes to really "complicated"/weird features. Especially most don't want to cancel after realizing that libre office doesn't have the same level of support as Microsoft.

WPS Office I think worked with ~55% of cases though, which does indeed run under linux, but yet still, it's not exactly excel in the end, so most things will break or not work, so if none of the microsoft products actually run under linux, yet again it's not a viable solution to many.

Also to mention even more; most universities rely heavily on microsoft products, so if you can't open or edit properly, you're screwed. (for ex. often the headersigned function breaks)

@linuxxx the first thing I did on my new PC was install Argentos to see if everything was working. Also installed some steam games. There were issues to say the least. Steam only works smoothly on SteamOS/Ubuntu. Performance of the Witcher was so poor it's just unplayable (maxed out on Windows and plays fine). A lot of games do not get the attention they deserve on Linux. There are exceptions but gaming is still mostly a Windows oriented activity

@hjk101 Steam works fine on Debian as well, which is unsurprising, since Ubuntu is based on Debian. Just thought I'd add to it. ;)

@Zennoe no, I need vsync. Even programs on the desktop show screen tear.

@theCalcaholic didn't know it was optimized for it. On Arch you have to fiddle with the shared libs. And than it still underperforms compared to Ubuntu.

shut up you mothafucka
Games run better on linux, on my system
With CSGO on Windows, i get 20-40 FPS ( Even at low config )
on Linux, i get 90-120 FPS, on high configuration.

Never used Windows again

if the game doesnot comes for linux, its no good

@jalebiBhai BeamNG.drive is good.

@Gerrymandered CSGO is good. But badly fucked too

but FIFA is no good

@jalebiBhai Did u just say Battlefield 1 is no good...

@hjk101 Will it's probably best tested/optimized for steamOS for obvious reasons - which every Debian based distribution might profit from.

I play dota 2 on ubuntu. Works perfectly fine.

@Zennoe whatever was default for kubuntu, LXDE maybe?

@Zennoe yeah I’m an idiot sometimes lol

I’ll give that a try though, thanks for the tip!

This guy fuxxx.

@SoulSkrix ThAt's for some games indeed. In my case for cod, i installed wine, clicked the executable and it just ran :)

@runfrodorun while I concur with most of what you said, 'Anyone who believes otherwise is [...]' is a statement which leads you into echo chambers and might likely prevent you from learning one thing or another you've been wrong about (happens to all of us). Just a friendly warning. ;)

@theCalcaholic @runfrodorun can lead*
I believe that what @runfrodorun says is true.

@runfrodorun I feel like you read just a part of what I wrote, because companies won't just change something supported and having a lot functions those alternatives don't and who is going to pay courses to make those officebots learn latex instead of word, you really didnt think this through I think.

@runfrodorun You could say that if you tried a significant amount of games (selected for good technology and genre variance) with both OS' on varying hardware. Otherwise it's just an opinion. A well backed up opinion maybe, but an opinion.

I myself have experienced some games which performed worse on Linux while most performed better. But I'd definitely not call everyone who claims to have experienced something else brainwashed.

But I'll leave it at that. I definitely didn't mean to expose you and I hope not to have done that. Just wanted to reflect the impression I got from that statement.

@runfrodorun you are missing the actual point once again, you as an individual can even type it on a typewriter instead of word, but migrating an entire company is not happening, what is so hard to understand?

I am not searching for migrating myself to some linux alternatives, I want to work with companies, which are using microsoft or adobe products, if you would come to me as a developer/desigmer and tell me "use latex/gimp instead of word/photoshop" I wouldn't even show you the door but make sure you roll down the hill just like the rock you described.

Especially because the enterprise standard is microsofts/adobes suite - that simple, what kind of rundown company have you ever seen using latex instead of word? (except for mathematical formulas and the like that is)

Especially because you can't teach those office workers to use Latex, its simply not happening.

I still feel you are reading just keywords instead of entire sentences.

@runfrodorun I am not trying to fight you here, just trying to get a very simple point across, which you are still somehow fighting against with no actual argument nor reason behind it. All I am saying is that it's impossible to be fully linux just yet without having windows some way or another (dual-boot, VM, windows on the go, windows instance you can remotely connect to, ..), there isn't enough native support yet, so if you are an actual professional designer or work with companies that use the standard that is adobe or microsoft, you can't just say "hey guys I don't like your shit, I'll use my finger to write and draw in sand", I really don't get how much simpler I can put it, so you see the actual point, which is really unfightable, because if you actually did work with companies or universities or other institutions, you know, they don't use paper to keep track of their data, they use excel or other monopoly software. I would LOVE to use linux for all my work, but I can't.

@JoshBent As a dev it's mostly possible (the role (huge) CS department of my university uses nearly exclusively Linux, for example) except if you're developing Windows interfaces, but yeah, as a designer you'll face substantial problems.

@runfrodorun You see me often "protecting" windows as the main system, not because I love it so much, but because the majority that has to work with most of that pile of shit (including me), can't just switch systems, we are not sysadmins that work with terminals only or fuck around with random tiling managers or sound to work at work, we have to use visual studio, photoshop cc, adobe experience design, fucking disgusting excel formulas and tetris recreated in it, autodesk suite, word templates that contain weird 365 features as simple as multi-signed headers, which get completely imploded by free alternatives and thats just the top of the iceberg, since most games that I checked I do enjoy, aren't working on linux or have piss poor performance if I dont fuck around for 5 hours with it, I simply don't have time to spend 5 hours on a game, which I will spend time in for 30 minutes.

@theCalcaholic All the universities/institutions across europe that I have worked with, never had anything remotely linux (atleast for servers and the like ofcourse) provided to their students/workers and most knowledge base was 5 years old and outdated, so for example you couldn't even connect to the shitty non openvpn vpn they use for their internal systems etc.

But what you just said I addressed now atleast twice during my comments, you can live without windows, if you are a pure C(++) , webdeveloper, system admin or professional tux racer for example, but as soon as the company needs C# or anything else windows exclusive, you can't rely on linux anymore, its that dead simple. You can and can't live with linux only, but the majority that is in an actual professional environment, mostly can't, because they don't fuck around with random linux ricing shit all day long to get photoshop to even create a new canvas.

@runfrodorun "I don’t see what you’re exposing" Well, in that case, I guess I did a good job of not doing that (because, as mentioned, I didn't intend to).

@runfrodorun I just said it's ridiculous to not reserve space for doubts in your claims.

I didn't say you should do scientific studies. I said: Don't claim a scientific level of gravity if you didn't use scientific methods.

@runfrodorun I was just wishing to show you that not everything is black and white. I play on both, Linux and Windows, I'm not butthurt - not even in disagreement with you. I just wished you would keep in touch with reality because you're definitely trying to achieve the right thing.

EDIT: That was intended as response to the deleted comment

@runfrodorun The biggest advantage of Windows is the market share. I don't like it, but that's how it is atm.

The result is, more people use it, more people use software which runs on it and more employers expect employees to use it.

But that's actually another topic. :P

In regards to speed, I agree with you. I experienced benefits on Linux for *most* programs (not all however). But I'm not excluding that it might be different on certain hardware or for certain programs.

@runfrodorun well I'll agree, but the most microsoft office users for example I talked to or seen - it would indeed take weeks, if not months for them to understand something even slightly more complicated than just inputting text and clicking save, it already took most "microsoft office courses" (~2 weeks course with additional "transfer" booklet if they still did not understand it) to even learn the "new" layout of office when they changed from the 2010 to the newer layout of things, shit is fucked beyond recovery at this point, since the people that do that work are like robots, you can't just change the material they CNC without readjusting all variables once again. (and paying somebody to teach them) Also regarding adobe products: there is nothing comparable to the gigantic amount of functions photoshop CC for example pushes constantly, gimp etc. are nowhere near even the "advanced" functionset photoshop offers currently.

Obsolutely fucking right...

This week I managed ( after years... ) to put the only game I play lately and the only reason I would consider to have windows on my machine to work under wine...

Good bye productivity.

@Gerrymandered do you experience tearing in desktop pc or laptop?

@jhfLinuxGuy on a desktop, yes

@Gerrymandered and nvidia gpu?

@jhfLinuxGuy GTX 960

@Gerrymandered update to driver nvidia-384 and follow this https://gamingonlinux.com/articles/...

Playing Amnesia right now on Xubuntu

I hate the buggy graphics drivers. I just can't deal with them.

Someone was clearly pissed off.