What kind of operating system takes 11 minutes to start and then requires yet another reboot in order to work properly?

Can’t be windows, the worlds least bloated os

Windows 11? Nah... Can't be.

/s

I know this one! The answer is Windows XP on a 2001 machine with an HDD.

I timed mine back then and it took anywhere from 8-13 minutes to boot completely.

Man, glad those days are over. Booting from an SSD is less than 30 seconds and it would take a special kind or idiot to fuck that up on an OS level

It’s a feature. How else would users be motivated to buy new hardware?

@Hazarth I think booting time with HDD got better in win7, and then got worse again in win10. I wonder how it is booting with an HDD in win11

What kind of people use that?

Are we to the point that some people have never used a computer without SSD?

I had to build an embedded Linux box. I ran it from a usb stick. The OS didn't have write permission unless directed by the user. So the usb stick never got any wear on its flash under normal use. It was a 486/586 single board computer I think. IIRC it booted in less than 5 seconds. I mean, all it had to do was boot minimal services and start a serial to tcp server. So it wasn't heavy lifting.

@Lensflare "It’s a feature. How else would users be motivated to buy new hardware?"

Are you sure you didn't work for Apple?

@YourMom I‘m sure. But ostream did and he said that Apple stole the idea from Microsoft. I have no reason to doubt that.

@YourMom I also heard that Apple has mind erasers similar to the Neuralyzers from MIB, for those who leave the company, so I might have been working for Apple after all. You might have, too.

thats why i like windows 7. it only took 7 minutes to boot....

That kind of boot times would make me smoke again. With the speed of my laptop, i only have time to do speed while it boots. From then on, it's Snek, VIM, chrome, ssh, tmux, rp (my own vibe code terminal) and Me. So comfii.

@AlgoRythm that could explain windows 2000...

@YourMom > 'I had to build an embedded Linux box. I ran it from a usb stick.'.

That's a nice thing about Linux. Windows doesn't let you install it on a removable storage. I've tried.

@D-4got10-01 I know, it sucks to have a stupid limit like that. They want to own your machine and not give you options. Not how a general purpose OS should act.

@D-4got10-01 something to consider. Could you imagine the horror of embedded Windows boxes running God know where? Its bad enough you see machines at airports and train stations showing windows desktop or failure to boot windows errors.

I feel safer that Linux is the dominating OS for embedded.

@Hazarth

How are those days over? With Windows 11 those days are back.

@AlgoRythm

Hm, I think there might be some kind of pattern here...

7 minutes for Windows 7

10 minutes for Windows 10

11 minutes for Windows 11

98 minutes for Windows 98

1000 years for Windows 98 ME

I had lot of fun with Windows NT 2000

@TerriToniAX nobody talks about poor Windows 9 :(

@YourMom > 'Could you imagine the horror of embedded Windows boxes running God know where?'.

I think I've seen quite a few BSODs in weird places like ATMs && whatnot... IIRC the embedded devices are / were using Windows CE, or so...

@TerriToniAX > 'Hm, I think there might be some kind of pattern here...

7 minutes for Windows 7

10 minutes for Windows 10

11 minutes for Windows 11

98 minutes for Windows 98

1000 years for Windows 98 ME'

I'm sure there's `delay(current_version.major)` somewhere in the boot operation's code.

/jk

@Lensflare > 'nobody talks about poor Windows 9 :( '

I know, right? That was the best version around. Very polished.

/jk

@Lensflare I actually heard they thought about Windows 9. However, because code in the past checked for Windows version to check for 95 and 98 used string checks like "Windows 9" or some shit. They decided to skip 9 and go to 10. No idea if true, but it was something I heard. So my guess it was legacy code in the OS or OS related apps.

@D-4got10-01 Install it on a disk, resize and clone

@YourMom What are you talking about ATMs run on windows XP (@D-4got10-01 beat me to it)

(Also windows IOT exists)

@BordedDev that does not make me feel better. :-{

@YourMom I heard that too.
Honestly I‘m surprised they didn’t call Windows 10 just "Windows". Marketing people love confusing bullcrap like that.

@Lensflare And then they could have done "windows series X" for windows 11

@YourMom AFAIK IOT doesn't exist for 11

@BordedDev > 'Install it on a disk, resize and clone'

This could actually work. My need to do that has diminished, as it turned out my internal drive isn't corrupted /* yet */ but should the time come, I'm trying this for sure.

Speaking of ATMs... https://youtube.com/watch/... .

@D-4got10-01 Make sure the clown the whole drive not just the partition, you need the boot flags and such. But that's how I did it before, or just temporarily put the HDD internal and then put it back in its cage

@Lensflare > 'Marketing people love confusing bullcrap like that.'

MS likes to do that, they're pros at it. Just look at the naming convention of Xbox consoles.

Xbox -> Xbox 360 -> Xbox One -> Xbox Series X|S.

/* Well, there was a point to the '360', as 'Xbox 2' would sound inferior to the competing 'PlayStation 3'. */

As far as the Windows 9 reference for Windows 95 && 98 - I've also heard that one.

@D-4got10-01 This brain rot has spread to every single marketing person it seems.

Game series just remove the number at some point and use the name that the first game had.

Wolfenstein, Doom, Resident Evil, …
Movies do the same.

So if you want to look up info about the original one, you’re pretty much fucked.
Maybe they do it on purpose for that reason.

@Lensflare > 'Game series just remove the number at some point and use the name that the first game had.'

Yeah. I've always hated that. Personally the initial examples for me were 'Tomb Raider (2013)' && 'Prince Of Persia (2008)'.

I find it retarded for the same reasons you've mentioned. When you want to reference the game or yes - look it up, now you need to do some special bullshit like add a release year or whatever to make it clear that you're talking about this && !that version.