great

now I have a new conspiracy theory

we're all martians just trying to recreate our civilization back on Mars

and the lizards which were bred into the original humans on earth are trying to sabotage us

before their planet comes back from its 26 million year orbital cycle

so they distract us with green energy because it's inefficient. with politics and squabbles. so that we don't advance technologically enough to rebuild the civilization we had on mars

so then when their planet comes back around they can do whatever they want with us

This one is fun. The biggest support right now is the guy who found an isotope that generally only exists after uranium/plutonium based nuclear explosion. Meaning it doesn't exist naturally. That isotope is all over mars for some reason. So people have tried calculating the size of bombs that destroyed the environment on Mars.

Another fun one is that the asteroid belt was yet another planet destroyed by war. The remains being the asteroids.

This goes along with the Indians having flying ships and using nuclear weapons some 5K to 7K years ago. Apparently the solar system was at war or something. The Indians texts supposedly talks about weapons that make your hair and fingernails fall out. I think one of the guys who made the nuclear bomb in the USA had a bunch of Indian texts because he knew what they built.

This is alt history though. Not conspiracy. Its only conspiracy if CIA releases blacked out text.

@Demolishun yes

so apparently Venus was a chunk of Jupiter... and it's what made the ice caps. when it passed through to its current location it had shed tons of water that was magnetized, so the water went to the north and south poles. 7000 years ago there were no ice caps

Mars was devastated by the Venus comet around 1,500 BCE. got hit, its orbit started passing between earth and Earth's moon every 56 years until it eventually stabilized but it ruined the planet,
the martians "fell to earth",
and the martians are who built the pyramids on earth (and I would guess were behind Atlantis)

would explain why suddenly earth history started doing math, science, etc out of friggin nowhere which was very unlike to most of human history. we interbred

before Venus Earth was closer to the sun and hotter, and so was mars. it had normal liquid water once

Jupiter had ran into us in 4800 bce and into another planet, and the debris is Venus and the asteroid belt

pretty crazy. mercy to physics

@Demolishun I mean idk if you say lizards exist people think conspiracy

but reading all this I'm starting to think that the lizards are actually not that technologically advanced as I thought

I mean if we're martian Atlantians... and we stood up to the lizards no doubt. I don't think they have faster than light travel for example. they probably just have some ships somewhere but they don't make new ones. I don't think they're that much more advanced. they just try to keep their knowledge alive via secret societies, while giving the rest of us misinformation and burning our historical records and libraries

I don’t think the math works out on most of that, but it was a fun read

@Root hm which numbers were wrong

I'm still sick so I still can't memorize numbers well so I may have been off

question: do you think you should be put into an insane asylum because you're crazy enough to actually believe this, or do you think you should rather be put into an insane asylum because you're crazy enough to think this is even mildly amusing?

@tosensei I think if you mention putting someone into an insane asylum you're dehumanizing them into torture and death and that makes you an extremely fucked up person

look up USSR history sometime. try thinking

asylum means "safety". such an inversion as always when they do some evil shit, like scooping people's brains out of their skull where they become a fucking vegetable after. we're "protecting you"... except you didn't ask to be protected. you were taken against your will to be tortured into "compliance"

and you think yourself better than the Nazis but use the exact same tactics they did. have you tried thinking?

if my brains get scooped out I bet you'd think I suddenly "started thinking". are you a joke that writes itself?

@jestdotty you'd think so, but - again - you're wrong. in all accounts. as usual.

@jestdotty you keep mentioning lizards. Is that an analogy of some sort or do you actually believe that there are lizard people acting in the shadows of society?

@tosensei did you ever smile?

genuine question

@antigermgerm i smile quite often.

gotta admit, i'm a bit morbidly curious to know what deranged, vague resemblance of "thought process" has led you to believe otherwise.

@tosensei do you smile at normal wholesome things or just kittens getting drown or something?

@tosensei your tone, dude. You're always so negative you know. Fr. I dont wanna be mean but it's like your default mode is acidic

@antigermgerm the part of my tone you get to see is negative, because you deserve all negativity possibly.

@tosensei you are like that with everybody

@antigermgerm no. only with shitty people.

i seems like "everybody" to you because you're so full of yourself that you don't actually register other people.

@tosensei tell me one time you speak nicely to somebody

@tosensei are you even aware me and him are two different people...

@Lensflare does your curiosity only exist when you're trying to feel superior over other people or does a genuine one exist in there somewhere also? cuz if you have genuine curiosity instead of "curiosity to satiate ego" you'd wanna know about the lizards, too 😏

@jestdotty didn‘t know that there are different kinds of curiosity ^^

What does it matter to you why I‘m asking you about your believe if you stand behind it?

But if you must know, I‘m asking because I‘m curious how serious I can take you when you talk about those lizards, which is quite often.
Because frankly I can’t tell if you are joking or dead serious.

I will try to keep the judgement to myself.

@Lensflare well it's what I figured

thanks for asking my consent to humiliate myself, I guess? you should be a sophist lawyer

at any rate I'm sure you can make up your own mind about other people. you don't need to be dependent on me!

@jestdotty I really don‘t get it. If you find that humiliating to admit, why are you referring to it so often?
Are you trying to keep it vague on purpose? Why?

@jestdotty It appears to me that you have this believe that you want others to know about (otherwise you wouldn't be mentioning it so often) but you don‘t want to commit to it because it‘s embarrassing? So you make it look like you are joking.
But then why would you want to let people know that you have this believe?
It makes no sense. I want to understand this.

@Lensflare I don't view like that, but you do

@Lensflare I'm learning about it. I'm playing around with the idea (as learning goes). I'm applying it and seeing if it has predictive power. if it keeps having predictive power it becomes a belief

your social retardation on the matter doesn't enter my head until you pop up displaying it, and then I talk to you on your level instead of mine, because I acknowledge other people exist with their own beliefs (which I think you can't seem to grasp very well...). I don't have the answers you want because I don't think in the boxes you think in, and I also don't appreciate the positions you keep trying to place others in like you're some kind of lord of everything. it's very narcissistic

@jestdotty But you refuse to explain, so I need to make assumptions.

EDIT: thank you for that info

@jestdotty

So you haven’t made up your mind yet but every time you mention lizards it really sounds very assertive as if you really believe that… so… I don‘t know. It sounds dishonest.

Wow, for someone who you hate and don‘t respect, my opinions seem to mean a lot to you. That‘s also somewhat strange.

@jestdotty

> because I acknowledge other people exist with their own beliefs (which I think you can't seem to grasp very well...).

You misunderstand me and I talked about it already:
I don‘t have a problem with other believes. That‘s not the point. I have stupid believes myself.

But when people claim that their belief is true and actively seek out to prove it to others or to debate about it, they need to face the consequences of being humiliated for their dumb attempts to convince others.
It’s only fair because let's face it, in most cases they will try to make the others look dumb by not believing what they believe and pointing out how stupid their arguments are is a kind of self defense.

Take religion for example. Do I have a problem with people who believe in god? Not really.

Do I have a problem with people who believe in god and make youtube videos about how atheists are wrong and trying to prove that god exists with stupid as fuck "arguments"? Hell yes.

@Lensflare what?

you're engaging with me. while you engage I respect. if you aren't respectable I leave. sounds like you're trying to pick a fight again

I also don't believe I ever said I hate you. I'm not sure I'm capable of hate. it would be a notable occurrence. you seem to have weird hangups all the time

I do find you annoying and narcissistic. but you're human like everyone else. even if narcissism makes someone inhumane

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I also do believe in the past I told you that I don't claim to know everything, I just know what I know

I don't say "lizard" as a joke to hide my embarrassment, I say it "as a joke" so that I don't come off assertive. either it's a joke intent or assertiveness intent 😵‍💫

they're self deprecating jokes though. at least in my head. sometimes people LARP as a group of people they don't understand, and it comes off as mocking. empathy is hard for people so they play pretend to understand another's perspective that doesn't make sense to them

@jestdotty

> and I also don't appreciate the positions you keep trying to place others in like you're some kind of lord of everything. it's very narcissistic

You mean like you do by putting me into that narcissism box?

You do the same as everybody else. Stop being such a hypocrite.

@Lensflare hey you asked

@jestdotty not trying to start a fight, just trying to squeeze out some answers to questions that keep piling up and to clarify about what I think that you think incorrectly.

I don‘t think that I‘m narcissistic and people who know me personally certainly would not describe me as such.
It‘s really weird that you keep saying that.

I think my opinion of you coming off as knowing everything is due to my observation that you seem to have an opinion on literally everything.
And it‘s not clear when it‘s just an opinion or a claim of knowledge.

@Lensflare naw you've tried several attempts at a fight

@jestdotty i am aware. but are you aware that you both are terrible on your very own?