@PrivateGER i saw that too. Wtf is "Majestic Million" 😂

@calmyourtities 😂😂😂 oh man thanks for the effort, it must have been agonizing

I'd love to wear a suitable pun

learnenough.com

@deruga yes. yes it is hahahah

@py2js hmm, i'm not sure what they call it nowadays, but i'm referring to this one http://www.celeryproject.org/

If we're talking about the same one, do you say it saves a lot of time as opposed to having to offload the task yourself (without a similar framework/app/lib)?

Or is it just better than the other ones out there, like Django Channels and Tornado?

Also, did you have prior knowledge of Celery before building your app (so you could build around it)?

Just curious, hope you'll respond

I always hope my error massages come with a happy ending

I guess you saw that as... a window of opportunity

@Arro haha, i get where you're coming from. we're just looking at it differently.

"They're investing their time in it though, not paying their time."

- when i "pay" for something, i _expect_ something in return, nothing less. whereas with "investing", you accept the risk that you may not get that return. when you fully trust someone, IMHO a romantic relationship is closer to a buyer-seller relationship, as opposed to an investor.

"Using your reasoning, if you find a dollar on the sidewalk, it's not free, because you would have to spend time picking it up"

- this is exactly what i mean, and exactly the way i would see it, if it was actually a dollar on the sidewalk.

Cute. But ain't free when both sides are paying for it with their time #bitter

PM: "I know what i want, but i want you to guess what it is. But don't just guess, no. Actually spend time to design the shit you _think_ that's in my head, so i can tell you otherwise later"

@azous hahah. Usually when i get the "i trust you" line, i tell them that changing anything is equivalent to paying for a second website, because the work put in to undo shit is 10-times more than getting it done right the first time. (not exactly true, but it scares them)

White lies seem necessary, often, in our line of work

@donnico omg. They exist!

@jodee929 oh no. i would think that a degree in architecture is preeeetty far off from being a web designer (closest to web, being graphic design IMHO). I wonder how she got the job? 😬

@wearahoodie they... actually did say this 😂. I didn't know if i should laugh or cry at that point

@not-the-droid ahhh... well, to be completely fair to these "web designer" people--There's no specific and official requirement out there that makes you a web designer.

e.g. (simplified examples) To become a doctor, you need to do 'x' amount of practical hours, pass certain tests, etc. To become a lawyer you need a degree, do a kind of law internship, and be called to the Bar.

That said, while i don't think web designers need a form of certification, there should be an accepted standard (i.e. "You should at least know this")

@not-the-droid Definitely agree with you on the wireframes there. For someone who's familiar with Powerpoint and knows how to "hack" their way around some of its shortcomings, it gets the job done a lot quicker. There's no need for a tool with unnecessary complexity.

In my case though (this wasn't conveyed in my original post), they did a "complete" design in Powerpoint. All assets for the website (like buttons) were literally Powerpoint shapes that they wanted to me to replicate exactly. This designer person also conveniently left out a design for smaller screen sizes. There were other numerous details that suggest this person had _some_ sense of design, but is not a _web_ designer. Of course fixing all these things are trivial, given that they're willing to pay for the extra time.

After all that i'm just here wondering, what it takes to qualify as a web designer nowadays, lol.

@Vip3rDev agreed, there should be a balance between aesthetics and accessibility. have you tried showing them instances where "x" changes, made "y" difference in a quantifiable manner? (although the correlation may sometimes be dubious, marketers love anything with a percentage on it)

these marketers should (i hope) also understand "user retention", and that it costs a lot less to retain an active user, than it is to acquire a new one. it's really the equivalent of trying to collect water in a bucket with holes.

Because most people just buy shit that looks good, and not something that's practical. Sadly.

Adding on to what @spacem said. Read and practice, and make a list of specific people to follow (blogs/books) who are good in your particular language/workscope/industry.

That way, when you come across conflicting ideas, you can refer to your list of specific people, and their opinion on the matter. (Which is largely what a mentor helps with)

If you're dealing with a guy that has "no power to make decisions", always recap every request on email and CC everyone in there. Your boss and his boss included.

That way you're always covered if anyone tries to find fault with you. Happened to me before. Good luck!

@Floydian i've deleted my account since then, buuut i was genuinely concerned about other users haha. thanks for the welcome

@imacat facepalm. i hope they've fixed it since then, or at least you're no longer with them lol

@AlexDeLarge i was secretly hoping for an alternative that would take less time. But then again, if i cared enough to voice out in the first place, i should try to see it through