I hate html and css. It's fucking horseshit. It needs to be auto-generated with a visual editor or something.

I just want to write programming logic in js. Fuck aligning divs and pictures. Fuck UI.

If it could be automated, there would be no front end devs at all...

Try Adobe DreamWorks?
OH man, those were the times...

We used to have an editor. It was called Microsoft Frontpage *shudders*

Use flexbox

Yeeeees... let the hate of the UI flow through you... spread the word... the less of us there is the more we get paid...

@Froot 😂 so much yes.

@TktStatusPICNIC that's what all front end devs are doing lol

@Codex404 I thought flexbox had compatibility issues so it was advised against?

@Crazed Well IE11 and better supports it. At my company we domt have to support lower then IE11.
Edge, opera, firefox, chrome and safari all support it over a year now. We use it for client projects about a year without issues.

Lemme tell you... For 9 months I did nothing but CSS as an intern. Completely company product UX makeover, and I mean this was my first real internship too. Was in WAY over my head. Did I learn a lot about css? Definitely. Do I still fucking hate working with it? Youuuu bet. But, at least I'm familiar with specificity and structure and such, and as annoying as it is, it's good to be able to look at it and digest an issue, regardless of how long it takes to cross-browser and cross-device troubleshoot.

Not only do we need content generators and structuralizers, but we need linters to check for bad practices like !important, and live-update software to see how browsers and devices are affected all at the same time (I would buy 3 extra monitors for this)

@Codex404 ah ok, I think we support ie/edge/ff/chrome with ie back to 9 or 10, and say screw it with opera

@Crazed opera is using chromium. 99.9% of the things chrome supports is also supported by Opera.

And with that Ive to make a confession, I sometimes forget to test in Chrome because Opera is my main browser.

@Crazed IE9? We dont have to support anything with less then 0.2% global usage on canIuse.com

We can just use our middlefinger for those people :D

@Codex404 I'd have to double check with my boss but I think it was 9, possibly 10. We're a small company though working with larger companies, which tends to introduce older tech exponentially. I hear some govt agencies still use COBOL. Makes me grateful of my place!

@Crazed same here, also for governments and NATO. Once in a while they do give stricter rules but overall these are the things we need to support.