People that call themselves JavaScript developers but can't figure out how to update the DOM without using jQuery

Wait. There is another way?

haha so true.

"Do you know JavaScript?"

"Yes, I know jQuery"

"... that was not the question"

I used to be super anti jQuery when it was first released because I could do everything in vanilla javascript. I even wrote some iOS Web app games when it was first released all in vanilla js back in the day. I finally drank the kool aid a few years later and I'm embarrassed to say that my vanilla js skills are very poor now.

YES!!!

Or try to use element selectors before the dom is avalable....