The sheer stupidity of so many Apple supporters is so fucking annoying. I'm not saying everyone that uses Apple is stupid, but I've heard so many fucking people say "Android is awful because it doesn't have iMessage." NO SHIT IT DOESN'T HAVE IMESSAGE, BECAUSE APPLE WANTS TO MAKE IT SUPER FUCKING COMPLICATED TO TALK TO ANYONE THAT DOESN'T USE APPLE. When an iPhone sends a regular SMS message, they revoke all features that Android phones could use for that message (read receipts, using Wi-Fi for SMS, etc...) because Apple doesn't fucking care about anyone that doesn't use Apple. Fuck making their own users' lives easier, the person they are talking to doesn't support Apple!!

Apple, fuck yourself with a chainsaw. And no, not gently.

You sir, I like you. Apple is a money whore company that overprices shitty products.

Ever tried to export your cobtacts from an iphone and import somewhere else?
Fuck you very much apple.

Thats why we hate apple so much.
We love freedom and openness but talking these concept to someone living blindly in apple jail for so long is no use. they cant understand why its does matter a lot. its like hey u house suck cuz u don't have jail in ur house.

You know apple doesn't give a flying f*ck about any of you, all the while sitting on top of it's huge pile of dollars and surrounded by apple worshippers, right?

Well, I used to hate apple. Aftr I started using Mac for my dev work I found new respect for them. I see a lot of people bitch about apple products and most of them I am sure are riding the hate bandwagon without actually trying Thier product.

On the same topic, people mention linux distros to be an alternative for Mac os for dev work. Having tried both, the dev tools are easily more mature for the Mac os and life is way more productive in the mac os.

What I am trying to say here is, try the product before judging it.

@frozentruth if you tried it and you're happy, good for you! But, with linux you have got everything a developer might need for free, plus possibly an env very close to the servers, or truly native docker. I still haven't heard what could possibly mac offer better than that, worth a shit load of money. Unless you have a clear answer to this, you shouldn't ask people to sell their kidney to buy something that might be better, or is unjustifiably claimed to be "more mature"

Once I helped my classmate with GIMP homework. She asked me: 'So, don't you have iPhone? Because FaceTime would be better than Messenger.'

@frozentruth I had an iPhone for 5 years. I have tried it. Hated how little you could customize/personalize on them

Apple isn't like that, it just wants to be independent. Its fancy products attract many of the dumb and rich crowd, but lets not forget how much apple has achieved. Unlike Google, they built their own kernel, an open source kernel in objective-c, not the language many people would reccomended for an OS. Not only that, they also create their own chips and some hardware. They're just as valuable as Google and make most of their revenue from only five products. I have an iPhone although I love to make android apps, but I have respect for Apple.

@frozentruth I can understand that some people experience higher productivity in OSX, but the tools are not more mature — most dev tools on OSX are made for Linux and ported.

OSX is easier to use, but has some performance limitations and weird defaults out of the box. Things like the IntelliJ IDE, Nginx webserver or virtual machines for example run much smoother on a MacBook with Linux than on OSX.

Apple makes the best hardware and probably software also period - end of story. Their products are high quality and just work for months without need to restart. I've updated my phone and McBook over 20 times over the years and it never ever fails. Xcode is a joy to work with - VS takes forever just to load although I like VS code.

One more thing 90+% of all iPhones are running the latest version of iOS versus only 7% of Android devices. If you want to build an app for Android phones good luck figuring out who to build for?

@codeblue The only reason it's on the latest hardware is because they don't have to make the OS compatible for their product. Companies like Samsung, Lenovo/Motorola, LG, ect have to make Android compatible for their devices, making them have to decide if the update is worth it or not. Many choose it to not be worth updating their non-flag ship phones, causing the numbers to be low.

@Tytanium It's not hard to market to sheeple.

@bittersweet @JChrist
https://devrant.io/rants/648263/...

One of the bad experiences.
Take a very small example of installing intelllij, look at the documentation for installing in both fedora and Mac os.
As a client, I want the instructions to be hassle free, you shouldn't be asked to fucking run scripts to install a standard software.

Coming to the point of being close to production, in terms of development it is v v close since it's a Unix flavor. There is a separate process where the software is tested on multiple os anyway. This is me talking about writing microservices in Golang or writing some webapp. If your work is to write some driver in Linux distro, Mac ofcourse is not the right choice.

Sometimes you're just wrong. iMessage is miles ahead of Android's platform for this reason, what is going on with Hangouts? I'm on fi so it still works for me but for everyone else it's no longer doing sms.

So they have nothing that is multiplatform and works on the computer as well as phone. Your other options are allo which is great for the 4 people in the world that use it and no one else because it can't sms properly. You can use Android messages but that doesn't work on the computer.

So, as of right now with no hangouts, Google's messaging game is bad and apple is far superior. I say that because I'm an Android user who had been actively looking for a cross platform replacement for hangouts due to Google phasing it out with no replacement. Google is way off kilter on messaging at the moment.

@JChrist I don't know what your time is worth but just tabbing up my time screwing with Linux to get drivers and hardware to function properly could pay for a Mac many times over.

@ClemFrieckie wow. Surprised you can't wipe it somehow. That's crazy

@bittersweet osx uses bsd programs. They're fine. They probably are a bit more mature but really aside from the hardware support, I notice zero difference when using Mac or Linux, even for actual work. Osx with brew operates like pretty much any Linux environment. These days pretty much any tool that's on Linux will work on os x or windows and most are free. Atom runs everywhere, chrome does, it really doesn't make any difference.

@Tytanium yeah there are other services but I don't trust them with my communications. They need something native and ubiquitous that can talk to anyone. Hangouts was perfect. Better than iMessage but they killed it. I'm certain that they will add sms to allo and make it a web app soon which will be perfect again, but for now apple has them beat in the messaging department.

@Tytanium Americas marketing of debt is way better than apples marketing