I have a question of morality .. we are devs so it may start becoming more important then ever..

If to save the world... Would you do something that would first effect millions or 10 of millions of lives negatively, possibly quite seriously so, as in death or starvation etc

Similar to the do you pull the switch and kill one man or do you let the train kill 5 but on a world scale I suppose.

I don't think any human has the right to make such a decision. So, no.

If I can't save the world without killing someone then I'm the wrong person for the job or the world can't actually be saved (aka. "is fucked").

The only thing I kill are bad websites.

@helloworld so you would disagree with say the nuking in the second world war on Japan? Even though there would be millions of more deaths ?

Is the issue purely because someone decided to do it? If it happened naturally without intervention that's ok?

If you were 100% sure it would work does that change your mind?

Why do you think that 🤔 not trying to start an arguement I'm just interested in opinions on this

@NaughtyProwler interesting 🤔 what if there was a time limit, say climate change right you have a solution now that solves it but if you don't do it now humans would go extinct. And the time it takes to build the infastructure to save everyone would take to long, do you not save the majority ? Do humans not deserve to live or just that one person who's to blame ?

Time to implement multitrack drifting

@FitzSuperUser
I once took a philosophy course that posed essentially the same argument. One answer (the one I agreed with the most) was that the world will continue to exist without human beings in it. If we somehow cause the end of humanity, some other forms of life will likely continue to exist and maybe even thrive. The earth will still exist, but would simply be in another state.

We aren't essential to this planet. But it is essential to us. So at the point where we have nearly destroyed ourselves and presumably the planet too, then we have fucked up beyond repair and the planet must come first. At that point we probably aren't worth saving. Are we?

@NaughtyProwler doesn't the essentially mean ... Yes do whatever thing you can do to save the humans by saving human life no matter the expense you'd be saving the planet at least currently anyway(no real space travel) but you'd would in effect need to save the earth to save humans

@FitzSuperUser I think the nuke(s) in japan was wrong and, without question, should not have been done. Humans are very much in there infancy and these kinds of actions, to me, just prove it.

@FitzSuperUser I welcome the debate, i have such lengthy debates with my older brother and many times we disagree, but enjoy the process (and the alcohol consumed along the way).

@FitzSuperUser

Kind of. But it's important to understand that the earth does tend "recover" even though it might take millions and millions of years. So it will probably be fine regardless of what we do now. We just won't be around to see it. Like how dinosaurs aren't around right now.

So when people say "save the planet" it should probably be more like "save ourselves" lol.

No.
Humanity will either evolve or go extinct. We will deplete our resources or destroy ourselves sooner or later.
But wait? What about that evolve part?
I think that the next step in our evolution, if it ever occurs, is brought to us by us.
It could be an strong AI for example or some kind of genetic engineering. Maybe we will learn to travel the stars. If achieving this would mean lots of random casualities I wouldn't do it. I'd rather spend my life learning and being with my loved ones. If something would happen to them and I was to blame, I just couldn't live with myself. I know that's very selfish but im just a human and besides, many human beings would experience extreme loss and I couldn't live with that. It's not my job to decide, even if the fate of mankind was at stake. In time we will all be less than a memory, unless something is done. Am I to do it? Well why not. At the cost of human lives? Hell no. Hopefully someone can decide for us.

@RazorSh4rk there always has to be that one guy who suggests multi track drifting XD

@Iiro362 @NaughtyProwler @helloworld

I have an additional thing... What if the people who were going to die to save the rest volunteered 🤔

@helloworld but why? Beyond the simple no they shouldn't 🤔 because your killing innocent people without warning ? ( They were infact warned of the weapon)