"voluntary is a state you impose on someone until they give their consent"

I get the quotes. Don't know who said that. It's still not aplicable.

Not really. By definition, voluntary cannot be imposed.

It's not about denouncing adjectives.

It should rather be about how voluntary is mishandled by politicians to mean "or else".

As a liberal, I hold the concept of voluntary to its utmost meaning, which definitely doesn't mean "until I consent".

Anyone who tries to warp the meaning of voluntary is either a propaganda pawn at best and a psychopath at worst. In any case, neither are deserving of attention.

@CoreFusionX some pro Israeli guy about what to do with the Palestinians

but it's a common theme in governments today... "nudging" was discovered to be a whole industry during COVID era. prior to that there was a dude who did "manufacturing consent" but I never really understood that one

I also had a manager harass me to fuck. I kept saying no and she just kept escalating, and even getting other people involved. whole reason I had quit that job

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well liberals are totalitarians now. liberals were who did nudging in Canada (Liberal party). tracked people's phones and fined them, closed down bank accounts, etc. somehow still have support which is sad

am anarchist though. liberals aren't liberal. it's like liberal < libertarian < anarchist lol

@jestdotty before that happened i regularly donated on gofundme, for years, but then they did what they did. Just like the LLM-hosters, some people really don't know their place. Be commercial, and just care only about money like expected. Problems start when companies have too much money.

@jestdotty I guess we have different definitions of liberal then, because for all I care, the state is necessary, but it should be kept to the bare minimum, and, of course, allow every law abiding citizen to develop their life project as they see fit.

Key distinction here being law =/= regulation.

Law should strictly limit itself to how not to infringe onto others' freedom.

@CoreFusionX you are what we would call a "classical liberal," generally the same as what we'd call a "libertarian" (though I loathe the word and would rather we just repurpose "liberal" for its original meaning instead of its blanket label for "left wing").

To me, what people who think the state necessary to protect freedom don't seem to get is that the state is the primary aggressor against freedom. No law can stop the state, the only entity that can lawfully infringe on the rights of peaceful people, from using that power.