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No more updates. If there'is a security bug, it remain.

@runfrodorun Choke? Windows? You mad?

Chrome's the best browser there is.
If Windows does out where will I play all the classics like Red Alert 2, Battlefield 1942 and Morrowind?

@Froot Wine. Also, for Morrowind there is OpenMW.

@runfrodorun dotNET now with DotNET Core is very powerfull for desktop application

@3141 Seems like alot of work for something I can easily achieve right now.

Also OpenMW is an open source remake. It's not going to be the same, when I go back to Morrowind I want the authentic experience

Don't get me wrong, I love Linux for most things. But Windows does have its place, for me at least

Anyway, thx for pointing out the alternatives. If I can game on Linux with too much hassle then thatd be awesome. How does Wins handle graphics heavy stuff btw? Can it run Skyrim for example? Or how much performance do you lose to the emulation (I know, wine is not an emulator, but how do you call it then)?

@Froot at the moment Wine can support Games like League of Legend and Skyrim.
It's now a mature software

Performance lack is more than with BSD's Linux Compatibility Layer for example, but is not so restrictive

@Froot You can check how well a game works under Wine over at their website. In most older games the performance loss shouldn't really be noticeable.

The gaming landscape on Linux in general is changing rapidly. Many new games are getting Linux releases, but also many old games are now available natively thanks to porters like Aspyr and Feral interactive.
I recently played Knights of the Old Republic 2 again (I played the original shortly after it was released) after Aspyr released it for Linux.
Their work is insanely good. The new Linux port is actually better than the original game released for Windows.

@3141 Oh ok, cool.
The rise of Linux gaming is also supported by valve and steam boxes I guess. Can't wait till you can finally run any game, new or old on Linux with ease. Then I'll probably get rid of windows.

@runfrodorun Dev tools. No one does web development on Firefox. And in general, why is it better? I'm not saying it's shite but why is it better?

@Froot If you are already using Linux on a regular basis, you could try moving parts of your gaming over. What actually helps the most in advancing gaming on Linux is buying games using a Linux computer and then playing them on it (via Steam for example). That will show developers and distributors that there is demand.
If you are interested in more modern, graphically intense games, you could check out Feral's Mad Max port with Vulkan support. From what I've heard, it's really impressive.

@3141 I'll definitely take a look at it. Tho the thing is, having just any modern game ported doesn't help me. I play specific modern games like ESO, Guild Wars 2, GTA V, Civilization V, Skyrim and so on.

Another thing I've tried is Steam in house streaming and it works pretty good on a decent connection (5ghz WiFi or ethernet). Then I can keep a windows box but in essence still do all my stuff including gaming on my Linux laptop. It's kind of a win win cause it doesn't use my laptop's GPU either so I don't have to worry about specs on it. Just keep my windows box going strong and it's all good. Tho, at the moment the windows box is still used as my main home PC since as good as it is, in house streaming is not always perfect.

@runfrodorun Firefox on Fedora always given me a lot of problem with YouTube

And it's slower than Chrome on my pc :/
That's weird

@runfrodorun See when I use a browser for personal or work use I don't care about licensing or if it's open source. At work I need a browser than can show me paint flashes, FPS, disable cache, throttle network speed and so on. I'm not going to go out and learn how Mozilla does those things if at all, I want to work on my projects. Also, Chrome gets the latest features for web development first, as a web dev, that matters to me.

Chrome's fast, why'd you think Node.js was build on Chrome V8 not Spider monkey? Yeah, Mozilla is catching up or is as good but it doesn't matter. I'm not going to switch browsers because the other one is as good. Also Chrome helps many open source projects directly or indirectly, take Node.js as mentioned or Electron (Atom and VS Code are built on it and it uses Chromium). Where's Mozilla if it's so great for the open source community?

In my personal use it's really convenient for example how it syncs my bookmarks and history across devices.

@runfrodorun So it saying that Node.js and Electron don't matter?
Could call me lazy I suppose. But I have better things to do with my time than switch and learn new browsers that are not better in any way that is meaningful to me.

@runfrodorun I wouldn't say they are more relevant than Chrome and Node.js, Node.js is huge. Also, you haven't heard of Electron? Have you heard of Atom or VS Code? Well those are built on Electron.

Also, I didn't say Mozilla, I said Firefox, the browser specifically. Mozilla is to Firefox what Google is for Chrome.

Anyway, this is going nowhere. Both are good browsers, to each their own. Just don't force your decisions down others throat.

@runfrodorun Ye it's going to shit. You calling languages and editor's "the worst in the world" and ranting aimlessly with no end.

Keep using what your using, keep doing what your doing, I really don't care. Jesus christ

@runfrodorun Please, stop the drama. It has the opposite effect of what you are trying to achieve.

While it is important to have a free and neutral browser, it is hard to deny that Chrome, at the moment, is clearly a much better browser in terms of usability. Even though I would love to switch back to Firefox, every time I try it it doesn't work out. The user interface is broken in so many ways. The theming doesn't work as it should (dark themes are not possible), the interface feels slow and sluggish and it is, quite frankly, just horribly designed. The font sizes are inconsistent (especially the developer console looks terrible) and the font rendering in general always looks a bit off.
While there is not a single big thing wrong with Firefox, all those little things make it annoying to use.

@runfrodorun And that is not just my impression. Basically everyone I've talked with about this, has the same impression.
Of all the web developers I know (and I am talking about real web developers, not "JavaScript kiddies"), not a single one uses Firefox as his/her primary browser.

Just to be clear: I really hope this will change again in the future. The newest developments look very promising.

@Froot Civilization V has a native Linux version!

And to complete my part of the discussion about Firefox: Firefox actually implements a bigger part of the web standards than Chrome/Chromium (MathML for example). The reason that Chrome often seems to have new web technologies earlier is that in many cases Google uses it market dominance to "force" the committees into accepting their technologies and proposals as standards.
Whether this is a good or a bad thing, however, is a totally different discussion.

@runfrodorun That text editor comment just made me rise an eyebrow because VS Code is hailed as one of the best editor's on the market at the moment. The fact that you don't like it is completely irrelevant.
But that seems to the underlying tone here, things YOU don't like. I don't care. You don't have to force your opinions onto others. Hate Google? Cool, don't use their services then, no-one cares. It's not like anyone's going to come ask you for permission to use a tool they want to use. The only thing this kind of endless whining accomplices is people being annoyed with you not Google.

People are different and value different things. For some your arguments about Google will not matter at all while some will strongly stand by them. We are all different and that's not a bad thing.

@3141 Cool, thanks

@runfrodorun I am upset that your opinion differs from the mainstream? Did you miss the 100 "I don't care what you use" in my posts?

Also, I'm not going to give you any reasons why VS Code is good. You'll just argue with all of them regardless if they are good or not. You just want to argue and have the last word, it's like I'm talking to a 12 year old...

@runfrodorun Also, as for presenting reasons.
Tell me, why is JavaScript the worst language in the world and why is VS Code a joke? You provided no reasoning there what so ever.

@runfrodorun Where do you get the notion that I'm upset?

I don't quite get the "runs by default part", care to elaborate? As for speed, I think you're still in 2002 with your understanding of JavaScript. Or it might be that it seems slow in the browser, in that case it's most likely the DOM that's slow not JavaScript. DOM being slow is one of the motivations behind the creation of react by the way. JavaScript on its own is quite fast since it's one of the only languages in the world where the makers of the interpreter compete with each other over speed.

Again, where did you take it that I take your comments about VS Code personally? I use Atom btw, only thinking about switching to VS Code but haven't made the switch yet. You could find Emacs of vim better than Atom or VS Code, that's ok. I like Atom and I use that.

As for "made by Microsoft thus cannot be trusted" I think that's a bit radical

@runfrodorun (ran out of characters)
It seems like it you who is upset that others dont live like you.
You can build your own OS and software from source and avoid anything not open source. It's ok. Other people may like to use packaged software and might not care about targeted add or whatnot. It's their own choice and you should respect that

@runfrodorun I think you see the modern webpages wrongly. They aren't the static documents they used to be, they are more like applications nowadays. If you download a program it will run its code by default too no? Assuming of course that you run the program. Same with webpages. By visiting the webpage you are running the application and it is only logical for it to run its code by default. If you like you can always use a browser that allows disabling JavaScript, I think Firefox should have that feature even. You can't be mad that the web has moved from static documents to applications. It's the way it goes, desktop apps will become more and more obsolete as time goes on and most things will move to web. There will of course be thing that are not feasible to run in a browser and those will remain as desktop applications.

As for the other parts of your comment, I'm running out of characters and I'm not interested in the he-said-she-said game anyway so I won't bother to respond

@runfrodorun Well that's your opinion. In my eyes the days of static pages is long gone. And what's wrong with making things look pretty? Aesthetics is an important aspect. Try getting customers to use your service if it looks like it's from 1995 😄. And I mean regular customers here, not tech savvy people. Making your service look good makes alot of sense from the business point of view. It also helps with usability, most people just want a simple good looking application that does what they need.

@runfrodorun Well being a web dev I cant in principle be against JavaScript on webpages. That's what I do, that's my domain. Also yes the code does run but it's heavily sandboxes. There's tons of security features on top of eachother to stop stuff like XSS attacks happening. If you don't trust the sandboxing you can always read the browsers source code or build your own.
The sudo example was off since code run as sudo has full permissions to your system. JavaScript in a browser has almost no permissions in your system and never will have. Also, you do run external code as side on your machine on a regular basis, updates. Why do you trust them?
The world your advocating seems like a dark place of homebuild gentoos, Emacs and terminals. That's not even remotely acceptable for most people including me. And I completely understand the problems with ads and so on. Thankfully we have things like adblock and freedom to not visit sites that feature intrusive add for example 😄

@runfrodorun HTPS just proves that there's no middle man and that who you are speaking to is who you think it is. You could build a malicious site and get Https on it no problem.

I personally don't like the world of home built gentoos and terminals, most people dont. I like things that look good. Some people may scoff at that but I don't care, I'm not going to build my environment how they like it, I'm gonna build it like I like it. Btw, I use Ubuntu with gnome and a sweet theme on top, can't beat how you can theme Linux but that's not the only reason why I use it

When the next browser comes along that lets you run code that has more access then we'll talk about it. But don't worry, it won't happen. The way it's going seems to be more toward lockdown. Also, if that more open browser is made then its weaknesses will be exploited by many, including me. The resulting the outcry will just make it fall out of favour and become irrelevant.

@runfrodorun Well what's the alternative then. There are different services from different companies. You can't have a single unified app for everything and it's actually better that way because it lets you pick and choose what you want. You can't have a single terminal app on a smartphone and expect people to use that, it'd never work. Also since Android 6.0 (I think) you can lock down individual permissions for an app.

About gentoo, that's good to know. I'll maybe try it out some time. Also, I wouldnt miss unity one bit 😄

@runfrodorun Sorry I didn't quite get that. What would the alternative then be? A single "shopping app" for Amazon, eBay, Ali Express and so on? 😄