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Whenever I think about managers and that some people consider them to be "above" us I can't stop thinking how boring it must be where your days circle around meetings, 1-on-1s and spending time in emails and documents.
To me being a developer is a lot more than about what I do at work. At work I transform specs into code but at home is where the magic happens. Here I transform ideas into code, and sometimes those projects are both learning AND useful (most of the time useless though, haha).
But my point is, no matter what people think about me or my profession I don't fucking care. At the end of the day I make the nice money, I constantly evolve the highly wanted skills of a programmer and I am the one (who knocks! .. sorry couldn't resist) who has the power to build stuff most people can't even wrap their head around.
I feel great about being a code monkey instead of a loser-meeting-document-writing-ass monkey. And so should you! -
Fucking muggles being proud of being fucking muggles.
If anyone say "I know nothing about technology" I'd say to his stupid face "Yeah that's why you STFU and leave it to the professional". If a manager acts that way he won't be in his position for long, or his team won't. This would simply hurt his reputation and his manager will know he's not for the job. If not, it's not a sensible place to work anyway. -
@Noob Economy? No?
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3 points:
- do what you love. You will have to do it 8-10h/day for 40 years at least, so make it worth
- if you want a managing position, you choose the wrong path. Managing is boring for most of us, especially at the start of the career
- they are the kind of manager that is most ranted upon: young, inexperienced, kpi-focused and non-tech.
Do your magic. If you want, get promoted. Switch career at 40-45, when you have comprehension, humanity, and sufficient experience to know exactly what it takes to satisfy company last floor request without burning out your team. -
@aaxa If economy === science
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@Noob That is just arrogant gatekeeping you're doing there
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@Python True. But.. It's true.
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@Noob So, economy, politic, law, philosophy and psychology to name a few aren't "real" majors?
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@Python You mixed some. But in any case, yes, the answer to your question is yes.
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@Noob Care to elaborate? Some of those fields (law and psychology for instance) require that you study at least 5 years or more before you can practice or get a title in your field if, that's your criteria.
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@Python In most countries both law and psychology require 3 years of studies.
In any case, both of those require lots of knowledge, but even more - understanding of the field.
And for this matter lets ignore the facts that most of the students of those majors aren't fit in any way for the professions. (Law is the most abandoned major worldwide, while Psychology is in top 3 popular majors amongst people unfit for academic education. Those are statistics, not my opinion.)
What I'm really saying is that not every profession should be turned into an academic field.
Sound technician requires lots of technical knowledge. But there's really not enough to learn in order to spread the process over 3 years and call it a B.A.
Same applies to many other, currently considered academic majors.
Obviously my first statement may seem exaggerated, but that's cause we talk humor here and because explaining such a statement without a reason is not important.
In any case - Engineering Master Race Yo -
@Noob In most countries you actually need a master to become a lawyer or psychologist (at least in Sweden and most states in USA, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/...). Just because someone doesn't practice in their major or ba doesn't mean they aren't fit to actually practice in it. Lots of politicians have studied law, doesn't say anything of the student learning it.
I understand that it's overexaggerated but I've encountered many people with the mentality that "only their field is the right one, all other educations are just time wasting", both while studying CS and in work. I think it's sad because it harms the industry with the already somewhat existing stereotype that people in IT are grumpy, rude or patronizing to those who doesn't understand them or their field.
While I also understand that this is an app for ranting, I don't think it's the right way to dismiss entire fields as important or real. -
@Python you misunderstood me.
I was talking about the majors and not the professions. In order to graduate as a B.A. in law or psychology the length of the studying period is usually 3 years.
Now when I was talking about people who are unfit for academic studies I wasn't talking about those who do not practice their field.
I was referring to people who are generally not fitting for academic education. The people that wouldn't ever consider studying if it wasn't so popular as it is nowadays.
People who are bad at comprehension, logical thinking, those with weak memory and etc.
But this is too complex of a topic to discuss here.
On another note - we are grumpy. Since our clients are peasants and sometimes the managers are peasants as well. -
@Noob I don't get your point, it's 3 years for a B.A. in every field, including science. To work as a psychologist though you must also read a master:
"In order to become a psychologist, a person must complete either a master's degree or a doctorate degree..." (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/...).
I can't tell if you're serious or just trying to troll with saying that you can be grumpy because the clients are "peasants", however I wish you good luck with that mentality and hope you won't have to encounter these "peasants". -
@OttkO It's the same in Sweden, I think it's nice to have that opportunity to not being locked to one thing after you graduate :)
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I'm necro posting like a MOTHERFUCKER but the web version of this app usually recommends 4+ year old posts so its not my fault!
I dropped out of computer science because the curriculum wasn't actually very computer science based. I entered Information Management and had waaaay more computer programming classes and work as a developer today.
This is just sad
That makes so much sense 😂😂
Programmers have to make it complicated. 😎
Computer Science is probably the only major where if you suck at it and end up dropping out, you're more likely to be a leader than someone who is good at it and sticks with it.
There were roughly 200 people in my freshman class majoring in CS, by my sophomore year that number had dropped to about 120. A lot of people dropped out because it was too damn difficult for them, and they switched to less technical majors like "Business Information Technology" or "Management Information Systems." Almost without exception, the people who dropped out are now managing teams of developers, they actually have programmers reporting to them. Seriously, WTF?
This isn't even the worst of it, there are people who majored in art history who are now "product managers," who take the word "manager" in their job title literally, they think they're above developers. Some of them will even profess with no small amount of pride that they "know nothing about technology." You can hear the pride in their voice when they say it, as if they're saying "I'm a lot of things, but at least I'm not a geek." Is there any other field of study where people boast with such pride that they know nothing about it? I mean, very few people will say "I know nothing about history" or "I know nothing about literature", and if they do say it, they'll say it with a bit of humility. When it comes to Computer Science though, knowing nothing about it is almost a badge of honor.
Rant the f**k over.
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