I'm fed up of this shit. I'm a Bachelors student and I study in a class where no student wants to study. Like literally none. You'd think someone studying Bachelors degree would have some sense. But no. Not a fucking one of them. Our class requires a minimum number of students to attend to smoothly run the class. I am the CR and I can't convince them enough to even meet that level. How am I gonna get through these two years? I try to say something, everybody snaps at me for being a smartass. Which I'm clearly not. These are the same people who come at me when the courses to do finish in time. I am alone. I am getting too weak to stand against them. My self esteem is declining day by day. I am really insecure.

Welcome to the real world

What is self-esteem? ~sarcasm

Sounds pretty much like my home country. People feeling like it's totally fine to waste 3-4 years of their best productive time on bullshit, because their dad or mom will find them a nice workplace at a government position where his uncle is the boss.

That was my exact experience in University... I didn't finish. No one had the same amount of passion for computers and compsci.

I've been studying on my own everyday for the past 2 years. Everyone is different went it comes to learning, and I learned more in those two years on my own vs. my time in school.

The best thing (for me) was getting field experience working at the help desk. Even then, I was the ONLY IT major working there. Now I'm working on learning JS... the only thing is that I don't have a stupid piece of paper saying I spent the money to "deserve" this job.

I don't completely hate college, but for computer majors, ESPECIALLY those forced into distance learning courses... There needs to be another way. Certifications look good, but not as good as a degree.

Anyway, it all comes down to who you know when the job hunt begins. <shrug>

@amateur64 The real world hurts

@apisarenco Exactly! Maybe that's what these guys think.

@shambles07 Around here we need a good enough degree for a good enough job. The market is competitive and I know I'm nowhere near that level. Guys from my class are even worse. I don't know what they've thought about their future or have they even? Learning something alongside what you study academically is what I do for now.

Dude.. You are in a very good situation. My college didn't have any CS branch. That means neither a single person except me was interested in learning CS. There were no CS teachers also. But you know what I am a self taught programmer and I take pride in that. Stop crying and learn it yourself online.

@BlurryFace5178 it definitely is a tough market. One of the top posts on Reddit right now is an AMA by a group of people whose main focus is to help people find a job/change industries/know how to market yourself.

Jobs in the tech industry require that you aggressively market yourself directly to hiring managers, and that's with a B. A. in Computer Science, multiple internships, honors/high GPA.

I'm currently looking for anything full time in my area that's related to IT. It's rough. Even with a few recommendations to family friends, honestly I haven't even heard back from any retail jobs either. Looks like I've got to enter the demoralizing "aggressive marketing" mindset if I want to succeed.

My passion for my work and my quest for knowledge can't be conveyed in a resume and cover letter. Then again, every new hire is a risk to a company, if I was in their position, I'd probably ignore me too!

@sgoel01 Was it hard finding a job being self-taught? I'm curious. Did you make a GitHub portfolio?

@shambles07 Not gonna lie. It "is" super hard to get a decent job. Because there is competition outside. There are actual CS Grads out there with much more exposure, guidance and real world experience than you. But this is the beauty of this field. If you love what you are doing you will learn it yourself. You can learn everything online. You can build things. You just need a laptop and an internet connection.

I started with the absolute bottom. Did some projects on freelancer for free. Did some work from home internships for free. Exposed myself to competitive programming. Advanced courses on internet.

And after that I have an internship with a decent company and learning a lot of things here. They didn't care about my degree.

You got to love computer science to succeed. A long long road to cover ahead of me.

@sgoel01 I would learn what I like in the internet. But my academics are different. I need to learn the basics in class to grasp the rest at home. Its difficult.

@sgoel01 It seems things turned out great for you! But I hear companies demand academics as a plus point for promotion. So without any proper academic certificate, you might be invisible as a possible promotion candidate in the near future.