Switching to linux whoo, back to the trusted systems

@4ndyc0d3r almost, its parrot

@runfrodorun have not seen the comment before, but will look into it, what is it about?

@runfrodorun its debian based but unfortunately like all my installs first that broadcom 43142 driver

Less problems than expected with systemd tho..
Still miss the glorious V sometimes

@runfrodorun as a somewhat new Linux user I don't understand the systemd hate, it seems to be a straightforward yet configurable system. Why do people hate on it? Is it just not liking change?

@eksdee4 indeed worked my way trough it never had problems, and i i had them, easy to fix because the sys log gave a straight answer

@runfrodorun what is better about using that compared to systemd.

@runfrodorun why not systemd? I actually like it.

There is Devuan

@ArchieT did that not only recent come out (stability issues?) and isn't it based on Jessie when Stretch is basically stable now.

Systemd one wanted to have the Linux kernel as a service, I heard, but the commit got rejected. And it wants to control the way a service runs, stops, daemonizes and everything. It is not considered UNIX way.

Idk much about Debian, Devuan and everything, using just Slackware, Fedora and ArchLinuxARM recently and also Arch on x86_64 and Hackintosh for the past few years.

@ArchieT given it is all open source surely unwanted features can be disabled by distros with relative ease.

@eksdee4 Well, quite a lot of packages "requires" systemd these days, and you have to repackage and possibly recompile all of them to make them not.

@ArchieT OK you are free to choose to avoid it but I'm sure distros devs would not use it if it limited users as they are almost certainly users of the respective distros they make.

@runfrodorun I'd think that some differences aren't needed and it'll help the linux ecosystem if more things are standardized.
In this situation, I don't mind systemd as I'm able to switch to almost any distro and I don't have to learn that many new things, and it does it's job as far as I'm concerned.

For what my point is, I'd start with the packaging system for example. Choice is ok, but should the developers need to build for every package manager there is? I will find a way to install what I need on any distro but is that user/noob friendly?