So my company is hiring only amateur developers, Including me.So that they can save on budget . So we have no one to guide us and ambitious deadlines are set .

Sounds like we can look forward to some good rants. Good luck!

On the brighter side, most of you guys will be friends forever - pressure has a way of bonding people, especially of the same age group 👍

This was my first job. My only advice is to not stay too long. Get a year or two under your belt and find somewhere with people you can learn from. It's ridiculous how much difference it makes

@linux-colonel you, i have a question. I am currently 2 years in. I got my permanent contract (basically it hard to fire anyone after this happens in my country) so i am sitting solid. Job isn't too bad, making games and apps. But the pay is rather low (300€ less then the low average of the country/education but still 200€ above minimum wage)
But in programming sense i am the most knowledgeable on my team, and all i do is teach myself on the internet. (c# btw)

I can go anywhere else, get a normal programming job, have to deal with probably less store submition shite and non programming related nonsense, get 300€ raise as a minimum. And probably get more experienced people above me to learn more/better.

Is it worth it? I would probably be bored to death if it is a crappy software pack i get to work on, but still.

@Bacontaskmaster
I'm pretty sure I've been in your exact situation. I was the best dev in my first job (they made me lead with only a couple years' experience), but I knew I didn't know enough.

For me, reading up by myself was fine to a point, but how could I read about stuff I didn't know existed? That was what made me get out of my comfort zone and find a new job. Sadly, the next job sucked and I left that quickly. I'm now in a place where I'm surrounded by people who are far more experienced than me, and I couldn't be happier. Sure, I feel like I don't belong there sometimes, but that's just normal insecurities when going from the top to the bottom.

When I think back to when I left my first job, I can't imagine how I would know what I do now, if I hadn't left.

For me, it was definitely worth leaving.

@linux-colonel i have issues that i know there are thing i want to learn and properly use. But simple games rarely call for any of them so i am not getting the experience with my theory teaching (and after work hours i have little energy to pursuit any side projects even though i want to)

What is it you learned that you didn't at your old job? Anything coherent you can list? Any skills besides programming alone? (Managing, refactoring properly, unit tests?)

@Bacontaskmaster
I'll list a few things, but I'll probably miss out loads!

Servlet Containers
RESTful webservice design
Sockets
Websockets
Micro services architecture
Docker
Web development (unfortunately :P)

They're the main things I can remember.

Oh, I did also learn how not to build an application from my second company. That's a very valuable lesson to learn

Sounds like a tpyical Management strategy from a company that under values its IT assets.

Good luck getting shat on there!

@linux-colonel that last one is more important than we give it credit. Recognizing a badly coded application is half of the learning.

I really need to consider going for a real company with more boring app but learning and earning more.