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Just a question. Why do you need 100+ Mbps. I am at 50 Mbps with two families in the home and I nearly never have speed issues except some government sites not working for some reason and Reddit and stack exchange blocked. Granted there is only one 4k television in the house. Though I guess when we get a new router and complete wiring ground floor with ethernet we might need to get a faster one. All the devices in the house support 802.11 AC but all our routers are 802.11n.
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@Sony-wf-1000xm3 the real question is, why settle for 50 Mbit when you can get 500, or 1000?
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@LotsOfCaffeine Because I nearly never max out the 50 Mbps connection. Seriously the only times I actually maxed out my connection was when building unreal engine from source and downloading a very large video game. Why should I pay extra when it is going to benefit me only once in a year and if I really need that much speed I can always bump my plan for a month and return to normal. Also it is my parents paying the bill so it is hard to justify when no one including the person who is suggesting bumping the plan that they need better speeds.
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iiii92263y@Sony-wf-1000xm3 I don't have any idea either. Maxed out my copper connection at 100mb and I don't see a reason to make it even faster.
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Also the major providers which provide better speeds for nearly the same prices and provide unbelievable benefits like 12 ott subscriptions mostly the local networks which have really good Content and disney+ and prime are not available in this area. The first major providers have t come even though we registered for them on launch day and it has been 2 years and the second one says the area is not feasible and it will come in a few months
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@iiii faster is always better, I got 1000 Mbit down at home
And that was (to be fair it was on sale) 40€ a month
Which for Germany, is quite okay. In other towns you'd pay 30 to get an old 16 Mbit DSL connection -
iiii92263y@LotsOfCaffeine that's not what she said!
Why would you pay extra for a connection that you will never use and which demands additional hardware (an optical switch)? I personally see no reason for that -
@iiii demand hardware? Idk how th situation is in your area but the modem for the connection I have now cost less than the VDSL one my dad has for 100 Mbit
For the switch, a gigabit switch is dirt cheap nowadays, and there are even 2.5 Gigabit connectors available. My router/modem/everything has one 2.5G port, which I can't even make any use of yet -
iiii92263y@LotsOfCaffeine so what? Can you use all that bandwidth? Because I cannot. Only some tech giants can nearly saturate the bandwidth of 100mbps: google and steam. Even torrents do not saturate both inbound and outbound because other people have even slower connections. And the whole bandwidth is mostly used only by one user: me. I don't have a rural family of ten people all overloading one router.
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@iiii I can download from steam with ≥ 80 MB/s, that's all that matters
Edit: my upload however is limited to 40 Mbit/s, which is a bit sad but sufficient I guess -
iiii92263y@LotsOfCaffeine there's another reason: hard drive cannot accept data faster than 100mbits so any download will also be throttled by that 🤷♂️ right now it's in an ideal equilibrium
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In India here modems are free of charge and I have never heard of a optical switch and I don't seem to need it. Faster speed is preferable when you have more than one person doing activities which benefit from faster speeds. The connection is pretty much 4g speed even on youtube when I am the only one one actively using the connection. We might still benefit from a faster connection because pretty much all my parents mostly use mobile data instead of WiFi.
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@iiii well yes, but the price difference is so low that I don't really see the benefit of having HDDs anymore. Unless you need to store massive amounts of data, like movies or whatnot?
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iiii92263y@LotsOfCaffeine since when SDDs are as cheap as hard drives? If for you the price difference of 100% is low, then I really cannot have any questions.
And yes, I do store at least 3 terabytes of data among all my drives and I have several terabytes free as well. That would have been too expensive with solid drives -
cprn16603y@iiii You seem to be missing the point... e.g. I have two machines that, apart from a memory card, have no hard drive neither they need to because they work entirely on the cloud. RAM can intake data just a bit faster than any drive ;) And even if you can't saturate your connection all the time there are more and more moments you can, like 4 people 4k video call or, beware, system update that can take 5 minutes instead of 20. Embrace the future, like the rest of us.
Besides, assuming infrastructure is in place there's no reason for ISPs to charge more for 0.5 Gbps than for 60 Mbps - the price is higher only because the market is being retarded (it's a verb) by people who claim they don't need more, i.e. they agree to be charged for inferior service. Logic dictates that 1 or 0.5 Gbps connection should be available to you for the same price because extra costs for maintenance and energy are negligible. This is the politics of scarcity in practice. -
iiii92263y@cprn 4k video call? are you using DSLR cameras for a mere video call or what?
my updates (windis) take less than 5 minutes. i have no idea what you are talking about...
yes, i agree that having a different price for 50mbits than for 100mbits when you have the same copper cable and your traffic goes through the same routers is retarded -
@Sony-wf-1000xm3 I don't want to wait 8 hours to play a new 60GB game.
Or when I'm doanloading a 20GB 4k film, I want it fast.
Or work related : backup / update of 10Gb databases.
400 mbits here and I need more. -
@NoToJavaScript The time is more like 3 to 4 hours. Also streaming exists. I haven't downloaded any video above 1080p so I have no experience how big that thing is and no necessity for it since I have not found a lot of 4k content. Also I have not seen 4k content before so I have no idea if it is worth it. I might have seen 4k content but I am not sure if the TV is actually 4k. The TV is upstairs where the other family lives(we are basically one family but they decided to renovate and move upstairs).
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@Sony-wf-1000xm3
4k Dolby Vision or HDR10 PLUS will blow your mind. I bought a TV last year and even if it was 2500$, 0 regrets. Now I wish I have bought it sooner.
As for content, there is a lot. I mean really a lot now.
Last week I rewatched Top Gun in full 4k HDR.
Most of films released after 2010 (and sooner even) already have 4k version.
For TB shows, a minority. But all majors / recent do have 4k.
As for streaming, they are good, but still pretty “low quality”. Netflix is over compressing at 25 mbit/s.
And even 25 mbits means you need at least 50 to avoid buffering issues in some scenes.
A good quality / size balance for 2H movie is around 50 GB of space. -
@NoToJavaScript
25 GiB/h is more like the definition of wastefulness than a Balance of any sort.
HDDs and network equipment don't grow on trees and faster network equipment generally requires more energy.
Streaming as such is fine - but don't forget, that it does use resources too.
Try to reach for an actual balance between quality and resource use. -
@Oktokolo I did. Any "4k movie in 10gb" is not 4k.
The ONLY true 4k you can get right now is BR rips. So 50+ GB per film.
And torrent network works really well now, so...
and for "energy" BS, go and fight crypto miners. -
@NoToJavaScript
Yes, that is the main problem with resource conservation:
There is always someone else who wastes more... -
@Oktokolo
True. But, why should I care? I don’t have kids, I don’t plan to have any kids. So, I consume the world I have. I honestly do not care if the whole world dies 1-2 days after me. -
@Oktokolo Yes Hard drives and network equipment don't grow on trees. However 802.11n or newer standard network equipment and 1tb hard drives seem to be pretty common in consumer stuff. That is more than enough to download a 4k movie like @NoToJavaScript without getting newer equipment.
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@Sony-wf-1000xm3 exact.
My router is AC and on server : 1 SSD for system and 2x1TB HDDs. I have them for more than 8 years already and they'll probably serve another 10. -
@NoToJavaScript
Well, if you don't have kids, wasting around is actually okay.
Not continueing to grow the comulative footprint by having children that have children that have children... actually is the most a single human can do to save the world for everyone else.
LOL (Lots of Love) to CG (Chaudhary Group) of Nepal.
They're providing new ISP service 120mbps (double the speed of existing competitors) on half the price of current competitor's 60mbps package.
This is unheard of.
for context:
competitors : 60mbps -> $20/month
New CG net: 120mbps-> $9/month
random
yeahh baby
competition is good for consumers
economics knowledge proved useful