Jetbrains is announcing a new product tonight.

https://youtu.be/w6AxZ_Xraf0

I need to go to YouTube for this?

can someone "too long didn't watch" this? thanks

@kescherRant there's still 10 hours before it's launched lol

Doesn't happen until 12:10 est.

@kescherRant I can, I won't be able to see it live though. Will TL;DW this 4 hours later or so.

I'll try and remember to watch it live and tl;dr it if I can

Set a reminder lol

Dot

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@jespersh I was thinking a quite while but this is quite likely.

Any updates? :P

@retnikt I see you in the chat lmfao

without even watching : Jetbrains = shit

@NoToJavaScript without any reason: your opinions don't matter and I rather have you not comment useless things.

@TheItalianGuy it's a managing system for projects.

I did just a quick check of the website and it seems to be jira but complete.

Code hosting, issues, release planning, chat, CI/CD

Basically, with a jetbrains suite you can do everything

I'll check the video in a bit so I will explain more later.

@Codex404 Well, if you insist, I’ve used some of their tools over the past 7 -8 years. They are ALL slow, don’t have good UX/UI, luck basic things. Let’s take intellij for example: you can’t even zoom text by ctrl+scroll without configuring this binding yourself. Simple hello world program in java takes more than 10 clicks to create (Why the fuck I need to select jdk manually ?). Forget about hi DPI scaling on 4k screens. Auto complete is so basic it’s laughable at this point. Can’t even fix a small typo. Did I mentioned zoom doesn’t apply to mouse-over text making it unreadable on 4k screens?

Let’s try resharper (as VS addon) : So fucking slow, I have a time to drink my coffee, smoke a cigarette and do a walk around the building before it even loads.

So it’s based on my personal experiences with their products. I really believe that this company cannot make a good product. If they do, they should rebrand it and remove jetbrains affiliation.

@NoToJavaScript 7-8 years ago. Yeah let me form an opinion and come back to me in 8 years to find a completely accurate state of the subject....

All typos in all get suggestions like on phones and MS office.

I'm glad you can't scroll zoom, I normally have to disable that in editors.

Autocomplete is at the same level as the intellisense from Visual Studio

ReSharper being slow as addon is because of the way Visual Studio works. Try it out in rider and it just works.

The UI/UX is good imo. It's not much different from Visual Studio?

They are all slow? Hmm I hear this more often, but I can't have two instances of Visual studio open while debugging and have a responsive system, I do have 5 jetbrains suites open simultaneously while debugging without issues.

@NoToJavaScript Now on things I don't have experience with since I don't use it:
Why select the JDK? Because even as not Java dev I've multiple JDKs on my PC and I don't want my editor to do things automagically.
I've never had a 4K screen, so can't say something useful about that.

@Codex404

"Autocomplete is at the same level as the intellisense from Visual Studio"

NO NO NO. It's so behind, you can't imagine (Ok with a VS plugin, not out of box. But plug in is installed by default, you just need opt in)

I'm too tired today, but I'll make you a video demo. bookmarking the rant

So they forked gitlab ?

@vane gitlab doesn't have it all.

@NoToJavaScript and without privacy intruding plugins?

@Codex404 Doesn't have what? GitLab has just about everything they've listed, or at least provides good integration with a third-part solution that does it (which is imo at least as good if not better, since a service which focuses on chat probably does a better job at it than a service where chat is always second priority).

@Codex404 This one doesn’t send any data. All ML is done on the opened solution, locally.
I’m sorry to tell, but I’m unable to show an example, as intelij decided I cannot have a simple java console application. Not even in the list.

@hitko planning meetings, chat is more advanced than slack as it seems, planning holidays.

None of those things are in Gitlab but are important.

@Codex404 Cool. I guess I'll give my secretary access to this huge platform with a million things just so she can plan a meeting and set her vacation, and export it to another system for accounting. While we're at it, why not give her AWS access as well, since 90% people in company already have it and we're already throwing SoC out the window?

@hitko first of all it has all kinds of APIs and we hooks so one could connect the systems. And currently we already have to enter our holidays in three systems. One for finance, one for sprint planning hours and one for meetings. If this can be limited to one or even two it's still an improvement for me.

@Codex404 That's a problem with your company and quite frankly, if you didn't manage to solve it with what's already available, a new piece of software won't help either. And even if it would, it would require every single non-tech person in company to use this software, which gets pretty damn expensive when you're paying $99 / month / user for something only devs need.

@hitko I work as consult and every single company I've been to in the last four years (I think 12, big and small) have had this issue.

And yes it's not something everyone should use. But I do think it's great in some cases.

And not every person needs access to the system. When I am back in the office (twice a year when between projects) we work on I house projects (currently a similar project as what jetbrains is).
These projects have a steady core but devs regularly leave for an external project. Teams change constantly.
When I want to plan a meeting I don't want to ask ten people when they have time nor want I people to cancel. If I can see what their planning is I can schedule a meeting in a meeting room.
I can link to the issues the PO made and everyone knows what it the meeting is about.

To me the tool seems like a time saver and I rather have a great tool with many possibilities of which I'm only using half than using multiple tools with less then ideal integration.

@hitko also why would you think HR and finance need access to all of this? It's not meant for that.

@Codex404 Because if half of the company uses a different system to plan their vacation and meetings, you're exactly where you're now, entering the same data into multiple systems so managers can plan meetings, devs can plan sprints, and accounting can bill your customers & pay your salaries.